Question about resistors and capacitors in a circuit

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The discussion revolves around the roles of specific resistors and capacitors in a circuit designed to detect mobile phone frequency radiation. Participants are exploring the functions of components R4, R5, C4, C7, and C8, as well as the implications of removing certain capacitors from the circuit.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on the purpose of R4, R5, C4, C7, and C8 in the circuit.
  • Another participant suggests that R4 serves as the collector resistance in a common emitter amplifier and limits current through an LED.
  • It is proposed that C7 and R5 control the timing of the trigger input for a timer, affecting how long the input remains low.
  • There is a discussion about C3 acting as an antenna for sensing mobile phone frequency radiation, with some confusion regarding its role as a potential divider.
  • A participant mentions that C5 is connected for phase compensation and gain control, questioning the implications of removing it or C2 from the circuit.
  • Reference to the CA3130 datasheet indicates its frequency capabilities and suggests that the circuit operates at lower frequencies than the maximum specified.
  • Another participant notes that the 555 timer is used in a monostable configuration, with its output behavior dependent on R6 and C9.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the specific functions of the components, particularly regarding the roles of C3 and the timing elements. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing interpretations of the circuit's operation.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the circuit's operation and the specific roles of components are not fully clarified, leading to uncertainty in the discussion. The implications of removing certain capacitors are also not definitively established.

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in this circuit I've found out the function of every component except R4, R5 and C4,C7 and C8 ...
can anybody please explain the purpose of R4, R5 and C4,C7 and C8 ?

[PLAIN]http://www.2electronic.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/cellphone-detector.jpg

also the Capacitor C5 (47pF) is connected across pin 8 and ‘null’ inputs (pin 1) of IC1 for phase compensation and gain control to optimize the frequency response,
what does it mean by phase compensation ? and why the collector is connected with R4 and C7 ?

and what will be the effect on circuit if i remove C5 or C2 from it ??
 
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I don't really know what the left side of the circuit does. C1 and C3 seem to form a potential divider that will throw away 999999/1000000 of the input signal. (since the non-inverting input of the opamp sits at 0.52 V.

R4 however is the collector resistance of a common emittor amplifier, and also is needed to limit the current through the led.

C7 and R5 will limit the time that the trigger input of the timer keeps a low voltage, since the timer won't start until this input is high again.

What kind of signal is this circuit supposeed to receive?
 
the circuit is sensing the frequency radiation of mobile phone through C3 (as mentioned in report)
actually C3 is acting as an antenna you said C3 is used as potential divider ?
and capacitor C5 is connected across pin 8 and ‘null’ inputs (pin 1) of IC1 , i don't know the reason :S why it is connected there :S
 
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From a data sheet the CA3130 has a maximum frequency of 15 MHz and in this circuit it would be a lot less than that.
You can get a data sheet here:
http://www.datasheetcatalog.org/datasheet/intersil/fn817.pdf

If you look at the input of this chip here:[PLAIN]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4222062/CA3130.PNG

You can see some diodes at the input that may function as rectifiers at 900 - 5000 MHz which is the sort of frequency used by cell phones. This might give you some signal reception at very close distances.

The 555 here is used as a monostable. If its input is pulled low, the output will go high and produce sound from the buzzer for a time determined by R6 and C9.
 
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