Question about source flow rate across line AB.

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The discussion revolves around determining the flow rate in Line AB, with specific focus on the values of angles θA and θB, which are derived from the arctangent function. The original poster presents their calculations and compares them to a book's answer, leading to questions about the correct interpretation of the angles.

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  • Assumption checking, Problem interpretation, Mixed

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  • Participants explore the differences in calculated values for θB, noting that the arctan function can yield multiple values. They question which value is appropriate for this context and discuss the implications for the flow rate calculation.

Discussion Status

There is an ongoing examination of the angle values and their impact on the flow rate results. Some participants express agreement with the original poster's interpretation, while others suggest that the book's answer may be incorrect. The discussion is active, with multiple interpretations being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need to select the correct value from the multi-valued nature of the arctan function, which is central to resolving the discrepancies in the flow rate calculations.

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Homework Statement
Determine flow rate per unite width in the line
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flow rate equation
Q:Please hlep me to understand which ans is correct.To determine the flow rate in Line AB.
$$\mathrm{Known}:V_A,q,r_A = constant.$$
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select:## A,{B}^{\text{'}},B,A,## is control volume
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$${Q}_{AB}={Q}_{A{B}^{\text{'}}}=\iint _{A}^{}({V}_{A})dA={\int }_{{\theta }_{A}}^{{\theta }_{B}}({V}_{A}){r}_{A}d\theta $$$$\overset\rightharpoonup{V}=\triangledown \phi =<\frac{\partial \phi }{\partial r},\frac{1}{r}\frac{\partial \phi }{\partial \theta }>=<\frac{1}{r}\frac{\partial \psi }{\partial \theta },-\frac{\partial \psi }{\partial r}>=<{V}_{r},{V}_{\theta }> $$$$\therefore V_A=\frac1{r_A}\frac{\partial\psi}{\partial\theta}\;$$$$Q_{AB}=\int_{\theta_A}^{\theta_B}{(V_A)}r_Ad\theta\;=\;\int_{\theta_A}^{\theta_B}{(\frac1{r_A}\frac{\partial\psi}{\partial\theta})}r_Ad\theta=\int_{\theta_A}^{\theta_B}{(\frac{\partial\psi}{\partial\theta})}d\theta=\psi_B-\psi_A$$to find ##\psi##,
$$F(z)=\frac q{2\pi}\ln(z)=\frac q{2\pi}ln(re^{i\theta})=\frac q{2\pi}\ln r+i\frac q{2\pi}\theta=\phi+i\psi$$so $$\psi=\frac q{2\pi}\theta$$
$$Q_{AB}=\psi\left(\theta_B\right)\mathit-\psi\left(\theta_A\right)\mathit=\frac q{2\pi}(\theta_B-\theta_A)$$$$\theta_A=\tan^{-1}\left(\frac11\right)=0.7854\;rad,$$
$$\theta_B=\frac\pi2+\tan^{-1}\left(\frac1{0.5}\right)=2.6779\;rad$$
So ans by myself is
$$\therefore Q_{AB}=\frac q{2\pi}{(2.6779-0.7854)}=0.3012q............(Ans(1))$$$$////////////////////////$$
But book say:
$$\theta_A=\tan^{-1}\left(\frac yx\right)=\tan^{-1}\left(\frac{\mathit1}{\mathit1}\right)=0.7854\;rad$$$$\theta_B=\tan^{-1}\left(\frac yx\right)=\tan^{-1}\left(\frac{0.5}{-1}\right)\;=\;-0.4636\;rad$$$$Q_{AB}=\psi\left(\theta_A\right)-\psi\left(\theta_B\right)=\frac q{2\pi}{(0.7854+0.4636)}=0.19878q........(Ans(2))$$
 
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You may have noticed that the two values for θB differ by π.
The result of arctan is of course multi-valued, with the values at intervals of π. So it is always necessary to make sure that the right value is selected. Question is, which of you selected the right value? (I'm with you.)
 
haruspex said:
You may have noticed that the two values for θB differ by π.
The result of arctan is of course multi-valued, with the values at intervals of π. So it is always necessary to make sure that the right value is selected. Question is, which of you selected the right value? (I'm with you.)
I think the flow rate in book is ## {Q}_{A{B}^{*}} ## not ## {Q}_{A{B}^{\text{'}}}##.
So the book answer is not correct.
Am I right ?
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tracker890 Source h said:
I think the flow rate in book is ## {Q}_{A{B}^{*}} ## not ## {Q}_{A{B}^{\text{'}}}##.
So the book answer is not correct.
Am I right ?
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I think so.
 
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I agree with your result. The included angle is ##\tan^{-1}2+\frac{\pi}{4}##
 
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