Question about the first law of thermodynamics

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of internal energy (U) in thermodynamics, specifically the relationships between internal pressure (π), pressure (p), and heat capacity (C). The initial derivation attempts to equate two expressions for dU, leading to the conclusion that π = -p and Cv = C, which is identified as incorrect. The error is attributed to the misunderstanding that C is a path function rather than a state function, highlighting the importance of using state functions in thermodynamic equations. The conversation further explores the implications of these relationships and introduces the Helmholtz free energy (F) as a relevant concept. The participants emphasize the need for clarity in distinguishing between state and path functions in thermodynamic derivations.
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In thermodynamics, the internal energy (U) is the function of the volume (V) and temperature (T), U = U (T).
Therefore, according to the mathematics, dU = π dV + Cv dT, where π is internal pressure and Cv is the constant volume heat capacity.
Meanwhile, according to the 1st law, dU = δ w + δq, when under reversible process, dU = - p dV + C dT.
If we compare both, dU = π dV + Cv dT = - p dV + C dT. Since both V and T are free variables, we can get,
π = -p and Cv = C.
Obvious this is not right result. Based on Maxwell equation:
π = T (∂p/∂T)V -p
Which part is wrong in my derivation?

Thanks in advance!
 
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Hi.
1st law of thermodynamics is
dU=TdS-pdV
changing independent parameter pair from (S,V) to (T,S)
dU=TdS-pdV=T(\frac{\partial S}{\partial T})_V dT + T(\frac{\partial S}{\partial V})_T dV - pdV
 
Hello,
Thank you for your replying! I fully agree with you on this point. If we express dU with all state functions, that is, dU = TdS - pdV, yes, your derivation is correct.

But my question is: what part is wrong in my above derivation as I use dU = -pdV + CdT?

However, you post might provide me a clue to the answer to my question:
I guess it is because C is not a state function but a path function. I remember I once read a paragraph saying the derivation/integration related to path functions are different from those related to state functions. In science, we mostly deal with state functions. Therefore, from dU = π dV + Cv dT = -pdV + C dT, we cannot conclude that
π = -p and Cv = C.
 
Hi.
Referring to the eauation of my post, the equation you used is correct in case
T(\frac{\partial S}{\partial V})_T=0
I do not think this stands. We should have double energy or entropy for double volume or two similar systems regarded as united one.You may be interested in Helmholtz free energy F=U-TS.
Introducing F, the first law of thermodynanmics is
dF=dU-TdS-SdT=-pdV-SdT
Is the RHS the form you expect?
 
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