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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the analysis of a TDA audio amplifier circuit, focusing on the configuration of capacitors and resistors, their roles in filtering and biasing, and the implications for power output and performance. Participants explore various components and their functions within the circuit, including high-pass filters, bypass capacitors, and decoupling capacitors.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the critical frequency for the low pass filter is calculated using the formula 1/2πRC, specifically with a 2.2 μF capacitor and a 100k resistor.
  • Others clarify that the 2.2 μF capacitor and the 100k resistor form a high-pass RC filter intended to eliminate DC from the audio amplifier input, with a calculated cutoff frequency of approximately 0.7 Hz.
  • A participant questions the purpose of a 22 μF capacitor connected in parallel with the 100k resistor, suggesting it may be for bypassing the amplifier to increase gain, and seeks clarification on the roles of multiple capacitors in the circuit.
  • One participant explains that the TDA amplifier requires biasing to operate within its linear region, which involves using a voltage divider and a bypass capacitor to mitigate noise.
  • Another participant discusses the function of coupling capacitors in filtering DC from the amplifier, specifically mentioning a 100 μF and a 100 nF capacitor.
  • There is a discussion about the theoretical maximum output power of the circuit, with varying opinions on the correct formula to use, including considerations of speaker impedance and voltage drop across the TDA.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the specifications provided in the datasheet, particularly concerning the power output under different supply conditions and distortion levels.
  • One participant raises a question about the role of diodes in the circuit, with differing views on whether they serve as biasing diodes or protection against inductive kick.
  • A later reply seeks clarification on the term "inductive kick" in relation to the function of the diodes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit a mix of agreement and disagreement on various technical aspects of the circuit, particularly regarding the roles of components, the calculation of maximum power output, and the interpretation of the datasheet specifications. No consensus is reached on several points, indicating ongoing exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific assumptions about circuit conditions, such as the type of power supply and the load impedance. Additionally, there are unresolved mathematical steps related to power calculations and the implications of distortion levels on performance.

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guys for the critical frequency for low pass is it the following: 1/2pi* 2.2*10^(-6)*100k?
 
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The 2.2 [itex]\mu F[/itex] capacitor and the 100k resistor connected to 1 form a high pass RC filter. This is meant to remove all of the DC that may be present on the input of an audio amplifier. The cutoff frequency is [itex]\frac{1}{2 \pi R C}[/itex] which comes to 0.7 Hz. The output capacitor and the speaker will form a high pass filter with a much higher cutoff.
 
ok got it, but how about the 22Mircofarad capacitor connected in parallel to the 100K is that for bypassing the amplifier to increase the gain? And one more thing why is there both a 22 microfarad connected to the 4.7 k and there's a 0.22 microfarad connected to the 1 ohm i can never figure that out
 
Because the TDA is supply from a single power supply. We need to bias the TDA somewhere in the middle of his "linear region". And this is a job for input voltage divider (R1,R2 = biasing resistors). C5 (bypass capacitor) was added to short any signal present at voltage divider output to ground.
For example, without C5 any noise from +Vs will appear at the "1" input. And this noise will also be amplified by the amplifier gain (1 + R4/R5).
So we add C5 to short any AC voltage present at this node.

We added C2 because we don't want to amplifier any DC voltage present at the input of the amplifier (for example TDA dc-offset voltage).
Without C2 DC voltage is also amplifier (1+ R4/R5) times. So by adding C2 we "reduce" DC voltage gain to one.
Also C2 together with R5 form a "high" pass filter Fc = 0.16/R*C = 1.55Hz.

1 ohm resistor together with 220nF (0.22uF) capacitor form so-called Zobel network or Boucherot cell. And its job is to prevent the amplifier from oscillation at high frequency that may occur due to reactance load. Thanks to this the amp will see pure resistance load (1 Ohm) at height frequency (F = 0.16/ (1ohm * 220nF) = 727kHz )

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cool got it thanks and one more thing is the maximum power given by the circuit Vs^(2)/RL?
 
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katuan said:
one more thing is the maximum power given by the circuit Vs/R1?
No, why R1?
The theoretical maximum output power for a single power supply is equal to
[tex]Pmax = \frac{(\frac{Vs}{2})^2}{2*RL} = \frac{Vs^2}{8*RL}[/tex]
where RL - is a speaker impedance.
But this calculations do not include voltage drop across TDA (headroom voltage/saturation voltage).
 
But if Rl was supposed to be let's say 4 ohms then the Pmax would be 4.5 watts though according to the spec sheet the Power output would be 12 watts given that the Vs is 12volts
 
ok thanks Jony you're awesome and by the way just to make sure the coupling capacitors are for filtering the DC from entering the amplifier right? 100 microfarad and the 100 nanofarad
 
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and the diodes are just biasing diodes correct?
 
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No, these two diodes protect the output stage from inductive kick.
 
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jony what do you mean by an inductive kick?
 
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