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The discussion revolves around the properties of a vector function, specifically examining the divergence and curl of the vector function ##\vec {F}(\vec {r}')## and its dependence on the position vectors ##\vec {r}## and ##\vec {r}'##.

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  • Participants explore the implications of defining ##\vec {F}(\vec {r}')## as a function of ##\vec {r}'## and question the conditions under which its divergence and curl can be zero. They discuss the relationship between the variables involved and the nature of the vector function.

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The discussion is ongoing, with some participants affirming the original poster's reasoning regarding the independence of the vector function from the variables ##x, y, z##. Others have raised concerns about the vectorial nature of certain expressions, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

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There is a focus on the definitions and assumptions regarding the vector function and its variables, with participants questioning the implications of these definitions on the mathematical properties being discussed.

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Let ##\vec {F}(\vec {r}')## be a vector function of position vector ##\vec {r}'=\hat x x'+\hat y y'+\hat z z'##.

Question is why:
\nabla\cdot\vec {F}(\vec{r}')=\nabla\times\vec {F}(\vec{r}')=0
I understand ##\nabla## work on ##x,y,z##, not ##x',y',z'##. But what if
\vec {F}(\vec {r}')=\frac {1}{4\pi r r'}\;\hbox { where }\; r=\sqrt{x^2+y^2+z^2}

My answer is if ##\vec {F}(\vec {r}')=\frac {1}{4\pi r r'}## , then it is a vector function of both ##r,r'##...##\vec{F}(\vec {r},\vec {r}')## not just ##\vec {F}(\vec {r}')##. So ##\vec {F}(\vec {r}')## cannot have variable of ##x,y,z##. Am I correct?

Thanks
 
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yungman said:
Let ##\vec {F}(\vec {r}')## be a vector function of position vector ##\vec {r}'=\hat x x'+\hat y y'+\hat z z'##.

we mean that it does not depend on x, y or z, so $$\frac{\partial F}{\partial x} = \frac{\partial F}{\partial y} = \frac{\partial F}{\partial z} = 0.$$
 
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yungman said:
LBut what if
\vec {F}(\vec {r}')=\frac {1}{4\pi r r'}\;\hbox { where }\; r=\sqrt{x^2+y^2+z^2}

This equality is impossible because the right hand side is not vectorial.

But your general line of thinking is correct.
 
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