Question involving trigonometric identities and inverse functions

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving trigonometric identities and inverse functions, specifically focusing on the relationship between sine, cosine, and their respective inverse functions. Participants are exploring how to connect these concepts through geometric interpretations and identities.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss drawing a triangle to visualize the relationships between sine, cosine, and their inverses. There are attempts to apply the Pythagorean theorem and clarify the roles of the sides of the triangle in relation to the angles. Some participants express uncertainty about how to proceed with the problem and question the assumptions regarding the hypotenuse.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering guidance on using triangles to understand the relationships between the trigonometric functions. There is a recognition of the significance of setting the hypotenuse to 1 for simplification, and some participants have begun to derive expressions for cosine based on this understanding. However, there is no explicit consensus on the final outcome.

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Some participants mention feeling lost or unsure about how to apply their knowledge of derivatives and trigonometric identities to the problem. The original poster expresses a lack of clarity on how to connect various equations and identities, indicating a need for further exploration of the concepts involved.

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[SOLVED] Question involving trigonometric identities and inverse functions

Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


I've tried to combine the following known equations to come up with a solution:

\frac{d}{dx}(sin^{-1}x) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1-x^{2}}}

sin x = y
sin ^{-1} y = x

\frac{d}{dx}(sin x) = cos x

cos^{2}x + sin^{2}x = 1


The Attempt at a Solution


I've been writing down a whole bunch of different equations on a sheet of paper to try and come up with something to connect the two equations. I feel like I'm kind of shooting in the dark though as I'm not sure where to begin and how to use this knowledge of the derivatives (if that's needed) and the relationship between cos and sin. I've tried fiddling around with the pythagorean identity but I end up with things like:

x = sin^{-1}x\sqrt{1-cos^{2}x}

and I'm not sure where to go from there.

Your help will be much appreciated.

Kind regards,

David
 
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Draw a triangle. sin(y) = x = opp/hyp
 
I'm still running into trouble here.

I have:

cos(y) = adj/hyp = sin^-1(opp/hyp) = x

but I can't find a way to move on. Do I have to use hyp = SqrRoot(opp^2 + adj^2) ?
 
sinY=x=\frac{opp}{hyp} Yes? So what's the hypotenuse then? Can you figure out the length of the adjacent side by knowing the opposite side length and the hypotenuse length? Can you then determine the ratio of the adjacent side to the hypotenuse, which gives cosY? Remember that cos relates the angle between the adjacent side and hypotenuse to the ratio of the adjacent side to the hypotenuse.
 
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Well Adj^2 + Opp^2 = Hyp^2 so that's the relationship there. If I rearrange and sub that into the equation you give me and that doesn't seem to make things any less complicated.
 
… turn the equation round! …

Hi David! :smile:

When you have inverse functions, just turn the equation round:

y = sin^{-1}x , so x = siny , so cosy = … ? :smile:
 
I do understand the basic principles of inverse functions but I'm struggling to relate that to the basic triangle and produce numbers similar to those given as the possible answers to the question.
 
… on a triangle …

Ah!

Well, y is one of the angles of the right-angled triangle, and x is the opposite side, and the hypotenuse is 1.

So cosy is the adjacent side.

So just use good ol' Pythagoras … :smile:
 
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I never knew that the hypotenuse equalled 1. Can you please tell me why that is the case? Given that, I was able to calculate cos y = \sqrt{1-x^{2}} which is answer (c). Is this correct?

EDIT: Actually, after just looking at Snazzy's diagram, I understand why the hypotenuse = 1 because y = sin^-1(opp/hyp) and y = sin^-1(x) and x = opp so hyp = 1.

Thank you very much for your help. I'm guessing (c) is therefore correct?
 
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AussieDave said:
I never knew that the hypotenuse equalled 1. Can you please tell me why that is the case?

Yes: always put hypotenuse = 1.

It's because "sin = opposite over hypotneuse" - so if you put hypotenuse = 1, then the formula is simply "sin = opposite"!

(Same for cos, of course.)
Given that, I was able to calculate cos y = \sqrt{1-x^{2}} which is answer (c). Is this correct?

Yes! :smile: :smile:
 
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sinY=\frac{opp}{hyp}=\frac{x}{hyp}=x
\frac{x}{x}=hyp=1

So yes, once you figure out the hypotenuse = 1, you can find the length of the adjacent side using the Pythagorean theorem and it will give you adj=\sqrt{1-x^2}

cosY=\frac{adj}{hyp}=\frac{\sqrt{1-x^2}}{1}=\sqrt{1-x^2}
 
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Well thank you to both of you. It's good to get that little guy out of the way. Now I have to do that [SOLVED] thing. Hmmm.
 
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AussieDave said:

Homework Statement


http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/2651/quiz1question5zi8.jpg


Homework Equations


I've tried to combine the following known equations to come up with a solution:

\frac{d}{dx}(sin^{-1}x) = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1-x^{2}}}

sin x = y
sin ^{-1} y = x

\frac{d}{dx}(sin x) = cos x

cos^{2}x + sin^{2}x = 1


The Attempt at a Solution


I've been writing down a whole bunch of different equations on a sheet of paper to try and come up with something to connect the two equations. I feel like I'm kind of shooting in the dark though as I'm not sure where to begin and how to use this knowledge of the derivatives (if that's needed) and the relationship between cos and sin. I've tried fiddling around with the pythagorean identity but I end up with things like:

x = sin^{-1}x\sqrt{1-cos^{2}x}

and I'm not sure where to go from there.

Your help will be much appreciated.

Kind regards,

David

Snazzy said:
160wzsn.jpg

with reference to your problem
to make sin y=x, hypotenuse=1
therefore adjacent side is=sqrt{1-x^{2}}
therefore cos y=sqrt{1-x^{2}}.
 
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