Question on classical electron radius

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of the classical electron radius and the nature of the electron as a point particle versus a non-point particle. Participants explore the implications of treating the electron as a point particle in both classical and quantum contexts, questioning the reliability of sources like Wikipedia in conveying these concepts.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the electron is treated as a point particle, indicating it has no spatial extent, but acknowledge that this is not definitively known.
  • Others note that while the electron is classified as an elementary particle, the question of whether it is truly a point particle is complex and remains open to interpretation.
  • One participant raises the classical radius of the electron as a point of discussion, suggesting that electromagnetic considerations may provide insights into its nature.
  • Quantum mechanically, it is mentioned that the electron is described by a wave function, which complicates the notion of it being a point particle.
  • There is a reference to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, which implies that even a point particle occupies a nonzero volume, adding to the complexity of the discussion.
  • Concerns are expressed regarding the reliability of Wikipedia as a source of information on these topics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the nature of the electron, with multiple competing views remaining regarding its classification as a point particle and the implications of this classification in different contexts.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the ambiguity surrounding the definitions of point particles and elementary particles, as well as the unresolved nature of the classical radius of the electron in relation to its quantum mechanical description.

Jianphys17
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Hi at everyone, why on wiki there is written:
" According to modern understanding, the electron is a point particle with a point charge and no spatial extent. Attempts to model the electron as a non-point particle are considered ill-conceived and counter-pedagogic "
I don't understand this that mean..
 
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It means it has 0 size in terms of volume, it's treated as a point, like a point on a graph. Whether or not that is actually true is unknown.
 
What is known for sure is that it is an Elementary Particle ... (May be that's what they were aiming at expaining ... Not sure though)
Whether it is a point particle or not is a different story ... and a long story.
Two remarks to think about:
1. What about the Classical Radius of the Electron? ... (e.g. E&M-wise)
2. Quantum Mechanically it is described by a wave function, not a point ...
Jianphys17 said:
According to modern understanding
?!
Note: wiki is not always reliable.
 
Stavros Kiri said:
What is known for sure is that it is an Elementary Particle ... (May be that's what they were aiming at expaining ... Not sure though)
It may indeed be the case. See 'Point particle' in wiki. In particular:
"Elementary particles are sometimes called "point particles", but this is in a different sense than discussed above."
and
"In quantum mechanics, the concept of a point particle is complicated by the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, because even an elementary particle, with no internal structure, occupies a nonzero volume."

I think that explains a lot (by wiki itself).
 

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