Question on inductance with magnetic material core.

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The discussion revolves around the effect of magnetization on the inductance of inductors with magnetic material cores. Participants explore whether magnetization increases the permeability (\mu) of the material and how this relates to inductance in practical applications.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if there is a difference in inductance when a magnetic material core is magnetized compared to when it is not, specifically asking if magnetization increases the permeability (\mu) of the material.
  • Another participant affirms that magnetization does increase the permeability.
  • A further inquiry is made regarding the relationship between the strength of magnetization and the increase in permeability, along with the potential to increase inductance by placing a magnet near an inductor with an iron core.
  • A participant describes the behavior of permeability in relation to magnetization, mentioning the non-linear characteristics of the B-H loop and the different regions of magnetization (hard and easy magnetization).
  • Recommendations for reading materials on electromagnetic fields and magnetic materials are provided, suggesting various textbooks and resources from manufacturers of magnetic materials.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is some agreement that magnetization increases permeability, but the extent of this increase and its practical implications for inductance remain contested. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the specifics of how magnetization affects inductance.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the quantitative differences in permeability and inductance based on magnetization levels. The discussion includes references to non-linear behavior in magnetic materials and the complexities of the B-H loop, which may not be fully resolved.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in electromagnetic theory, magnetic materials, and applications in inductive components.

yungman
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Is there a difference in inductance of an inductance with magnetic material whether it is magnetized or not. Meaning is there an increase of inductance if the core has been magnetized ( become magnet) vs the same material but not magnetized?

Does magnetization increase the [itex]\mu[/itex] of the material?
 
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Yes.
 
cabraham said:
Yes.

So the stronger the magnetization, the higher the [itex]\mu[/itex]? How much difference.

Is it true that if I have an inductor with a iron core. I can increase the inductance by putting a magnet near it to induce magnetism onto the core? And the stronger the induction, the higher the inductance.

Can someone point me to reading materials in this subject?

Thanks

Alan
 
Near the origin is "hard magnetization". As the winding current increases, the flux increases non-linearly since mu increases. Then mu is roughly constant as amp-turns increase & flux increases linearly. This region is "easy magnetization". Then as the saturation flux density value is approached, mu decreases. THe curve, known as the "B-H loop" is non-linear.

For reading materials, any good e/m fields text is recommended. Kraus & Carver, Griffiths, Hayt, are 3 that come to mind, but there are others as well. Also, makers of xfmr & inductor core material like Philips magnetics, Arnold Engr., Magnetics Inc., are good resources. They know magnetic materials better than anybody. That should get you started.

Claude
 

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