Question regarding parallel plate capacitor

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of a parallel plate capacitor when a third plate is introduced between the existing two plates. Participants explore whether this arrangement still functions as a capacitor and the underlying physics involved. The conversation includes theoretical considerations and implications of charge distribution and electric fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions if the arrangement of three plates will still behave as a capacitor, suggesting it resembles two capacitors in series.
  • Another participant posits that the charge on the middle plate would be zero, with surface charge on the middle plate being equal to that on the outer plates.
  • There is a suggestion to calculate the new capacitance in terms of the original to see if the charge stored changes with the introduction of the middle plate.
  • One participant describes the behavior of electric field lines, indicating that they terminate on one side of the middle plate and originate from the other side, thus forming two pairs of charged plates.
  • A later reply expresses agreement with the previous explanation regarding the behavior of field lines and charge distribution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the charge distribution on the middle plate and its implications for the overall capacitance. While some agree on the conceptual framework of charge attraction and field lines, there is no consensus on the exact nature of the charge on the middle plate or the resultant capacitance.

Contextual Notes

Participants do not fully resolve the implications of introducing the middle plate, particularly regarding the calculations of capacitance and charge distribution. The discussion remains open to interpretation based on the assumptions made about the system.

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Lets assume that there is a parallel plate capacitor connected across a supply of V volts. Then, there is charge redistribution between the plates such that finally the potential of positive plate wrt the negative plate is V volts. Let us assume air is the dielectric between the two plates. Now what happens if I introduce a plate in between the existing two plates. As per electrical analogy, its as good as two capacitors connected as a capacitor.

My question is that will such an arrangement of 3 plates with two plates connected across the supply and with a plate in between these two plates still behave as a capacitor. If so, please explain the physics behind it.

Thank you.
 
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arunbhaskar said:
My question is that will such an arrangement of 3 plates with two plates connected across the supply and with a plate in between these two plates still behave as a capacitor.
Why not? It would be like two capacitors in series.
 
If so what is the charge on the middle plate assuming that the middle plate is equally spaced from the other two plates?
 
arunbhaskar said:
If so what is the charge on the middle plate assuming that the middle plate is equally spaced from the other two plates?
The net charge would be zero of course. The surface charge on the middle plate will be the same as on the outer plates.

To see if the charge stored changes when the middle plate is introduced, calculate the new capacitance in terms of the original.
 
Ok. I think I got the logic here. The field lines of positive plate end on one side of the middle plate(the one facing the positive plate) and the field lines again start from other side of the middle plate and end on the negative plate of the original capacitor. Am I right?
 
Sounds good to me.
 
arunbhaskar said:
Lets assume that there is a parallel plate capacitor connected across a supply of V volts. Then, there is charge redistribution between the plates such that finally the potential of positive plate wrt the negative plate is V volts. Let us assume air is the dielectric between the two plates. Now what happens if I introduce a plate in between the existing two plates. As per electrical analogy, its as good as two capacitors connected as a capacitor.

My question is that will such an arrangement of 3 plates with two plates connected across the supply and with a plate in between these two plates still behave as a capacitor. If so, please explain the physics behind it.

Thank you.
In a capacitor it is known that the two plates are oppositely charged , which is in turn due to attraction of negative charge or the electrons of the second plate by the the first plate which is charged with the help of battery and these both oppositely charged plates form a capacitor.
now when a third plate is inserted , the previously charged positive plate attracts the electron of the third plate due to which one side of the "inserted plate" becomes negatively charged and the other side of this plate becomes positively charged .so the left side separately serve as "-ve"counterpart for the previously the first plate and the right side separately serve as the "+ve" plate for the negative plate.So this forms two complete pairs of positively and negatively charged capacitor plates, hence giving rise to the two new capacitors.
 

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