Quick query regarding voltage sources

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of a DC voltage source when connected to a resistor and subsequently shorted with a wire. Participants explore the implications of current draw, resistance, and the concept of voltage-controlled variable resistors, including practical examples and theoretical considerations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether a wire shorting a resistor would draw high current from the voltage source, suggesting that current drawn could be calculated as V / R2.
  • Another participant asserts that the voltage of the power supply would drop until it reaches its maximum power output, defined by the relationship P_max=U^2/R_wire.
  • A participant calculates the current draw considering both resistors in parallel, stating that if the source could supply the current, it would be V / ((R1 * R2) / (R1 + R2)).
  • There is a claim that if the current draw exceeds the source's capacity, the voltage and current would drop, and a fuse might blow, contradicting the idea that the wire's resistance could increase.
  • Some participants agree that a voltage-controlled variable resistor is possible but clarify that it does not operate as initially described in the thread.
  • Examples of voltage-controlled resistors are provided, including incandescent light bulbs and their historical use in Wein bridge oscillators.
  • A participant introduces the concept of internal resistance in batteries, explaining its effect on current delivery and voltage distribution across resistors connected to the battery.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that a voltage-controlled variable resistor can exist, but there is disagreement on the specifics of how it operates and the implications of shorting a resistor with a wire. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the initial claims about current draw and resistance changes.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions, such as the behavior of the voltage source under load and the effects of internal resistance, which may not be universally applicable across different power sources.

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If you had a DC voltage source that supplied a voltage V volts and you connected a resistor of R1 ohms to the + and - terminals of this source then shorted the resistor with a wire of little but measurable resistance - R2 ohms would the following happen:

*would the wire draw high current from the voltage source. ie current drawn = V / R2 and if this didn't cause the wire to burn would this current be limited by the ability of the circuitry controlling the voltage source and hence if it couldn't reach the current needed to meet the resistance of the wire ( R = V / I ) would it increase the resistance of this wire? So could we have a voltage controlled variable resistor?

*is the above physically possible? And if so how does this work?

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Throw away resistor 1 since it's shorted. You are asking what happens when we short a power supply?
The voltage of the power supply drops until it reaches it's maximum power output P_max=U^2/R_wire
 
would the wire draw high current from the voltage source. ie current drawn = V / R2
If the source could supply it the current draw would be V / ((R1 * R2) / (R1 + R2))
and if this didn't cause the wire to burn would this current be limited by the ability of the circuitry controlling the voltage source
Yes.
and hence if it couldn't reach the current needed to meet the resistance of the wire ( R = V / I ) would it increase the resistance of this wire?
No. The voltage and current would drop (or a fuse would blow). See previous question and answer.
So could we have a voltage controlled variable resistor?
Yes, but not the way you described.
is the above physically possible? And if so how does this work?
Field Effect Transistors (FET) are sometimes used as voltage controlled resistors. You can find info on the web about FETs.
 
Yes you can have a voltage controlled variable resistor. (Though not as you described)

An Incandescent light bulb is an example of a voltage controlled resistor.

In the past the feedback in a Wein bridge oscillators was frequently controlled by the variable resistance of an incadescent light bulb.
 
Carl Pugh said:
An Incandescent light bulb is an example of a voltage controlled resistor

No, that would be a current-controlled resistor.
 
Thankyou to everyone for the feedback :)
 
Have you come across the concept of internal resistance?

All batteries and most simple power supplies have an effective internal resistance, which doesn't really exist, but gives a way of predicting the behaviour of the power source.

This resistance appears in series with the open circuit voltage of the device. So, a 9 volt battery might have an internal resistance of 10 ohms. If you put a low resistance wire across the battery, it would not deliver more than (9volts / 10 ohms) or 0.9 amps into the wire.

If you put a 10 ohm resistor across the battery, half the 9 volts would be across the internal 10 ohm resistor and half across the external 10 ohm resistor. So, the external resistor would have 4.5 volt across it and 0.45 Amps flowing in it.

This internal resistance increases with age in batteries and, eventually, the battery cannot deliver enough current to operate whatever it is operating and then it has to be replaced with one that has less internal resistance.

This may help you answer questions like this one for yourself.
 

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