Quick Question about Math : Diagrams

  • Thread starter Thread starter masterchiefo
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Diagrams
Click For Summary

Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a system comprising three components (A, B, and C) and the conditions under which the system fails. Participants are tasked with interpreting diagrams that represent these failure conditions, particularly focusing on the independence of component operations.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore different interpretations of the diagrams, questioning the conventions used to represent success and failure. There is a focus on understanding the implications of the system's failure conditions and how they relate to the chosen diagrams.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided guidance on referring to course conventions for interpreting the diagrams. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct interpretation of the failure conditions, with multiple interpretations being discussed. A few participants express agreement on certain interpretations, but no consensus is reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants are encouraged to consider the conventions from their course materials, as differing interpretations of the diagrams could lead to varying conclusions about the system's failure.

masterchiefo
Messages
211
Reaction score
2

Homework Statement


A system , which comprises three components (A , B and C ) , the system fails if the first component ( A) has failed or if the other two fail simultaneously. It will be assumed that all components operate independently.

Question: Choose from the following diagrams that best fits this description :
http://i.imgur.com/JRFGFkS.png

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


My answer:
http://i.imgur.com/B6Op3ym.png

Just want to make sure I'm correct.

Thanks.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
That's not how I would interpret those diagrams. What's your thinking?
 
masterchiefo said:

Homework Statement


A system , which comprises three components (A , B and C ) , the system fails if the first component ( A) has failed or if the other two fail simultaneously. It will be assumed that all components operate independently.

Question: Choose from the following diagrams that best fits this description :
http://i.imgur.com/JRFGFkS.png

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


My answer:
http://i.imgur.com/B6Op3ym.png

Just want to make sure I'm correct.

Thanks.

You should refer to the conventions used in your course notes and/or textbook. The "usual" interpretation of such diagrams is that when the component is operational a signal (or whatever) gets through that branch successfully. You seem to be using the opposite convention in which you look at "failure" rather than "success", but as I said, you should double-check the conventions used in your course. Depending on the interpretation, the answers will be completely different.
 
Edit: looking at my note books.
 
Last edited:
Ray Vickson said:
You should refer to the conventions used in your course notes and/or textbook. The "usual" interpretation of such diagrams is that when the component is operational a signal (or whatever) gets through that branch successfully. You seem to be using the opposite convention in which you look at "failure" rather than "success", but as I said, you should double-check the conventions used in your course. Depending on the interpretation, the answers will be completely different.
PeroK said:
That's not how I would interpret those diagrams. What's your thinking?
I was interpreting it wrong:

Here is the correct answer:
http://i.imgur.com/ynKj6x7.png

do you guys agree?
 
I don't think "or" is the key word. I think the key words are system and failure. You first need to define what it means for your system to fail.

In the diagram you chose, describe the state of the system as it is. And then describe the state of the system if A has failed.

What is the system doing?
 
masterchiefo said:
I was interpreting it wrong:

Here is the correct answer:
http://i.imgur.com/ynKj6x7.png

do you guys agree?

Yes. Think of an IT system with A, B and C as front-end components. When is your system down?
 
masterchiefo said:
I was interpreting it wrong:

Here is the correct answer:
http://i.imgur.com/ynKj6x7.png

do you guys agree?

I do, yes (assuming that "component works" = "signal gets through").
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
2K
  • · Replies 25 ·
Replies
25
Views
2K
Replies
5
Views
2K
  • · Replies 11 ·
Replies
11
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
1K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 9 ·
Replies
9
Views
6K