Quick question on intro to linear algebra book

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The discussion revolves around the suitability of Michael Artin's "Algebra (2nd Edition)" as an introductory text for self-learning linear algebra. Participants explore alternative resources and share their backgrounds in mathematics, particularly in relation to linear algebra.

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  • Some participants argue that Artin's book does not adequately cover linear algebra and suggest finding a book that focuses solely on the subject.
  • Others believe that Artin's book is valuable and should be read eventually, but may not be suitable for beginners.
  • A participant expresses a lack of foundational knowledge in linear algebra and seeks recommendations for easier introductory texts.
  • Several participants suggest alternative books, such as "Linear Algebra" by Friedberg, Insel, and Spence, and Schaum's Outline to Linear Algebra by Lipschutz, emphasizing the importance of working through exercises.
  • There are mentions of various online resources, including video lectures and additional companion books, to aid in learning linear algebra.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about Khan Academy's effectiveness beyond practice questions, preferring other lecture sources.
  • A later post provides a detailed explanation of linear transformations and their classification, indicating a more advanced understanding of linear algebra concepts.
  • Another participant requests clarification on a previous claim regarding Artin's coverage of linear algebra, noting specific chapters that address the topic.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the suitability of Artin's book for beginners, with multiple competing views on its effectiveness and the best resources for learning linear algebra. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach for a novice learner.

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Participants express varying levels of prior knowledge in mathematics, which influences their recommendations. There is also a recognition that personal preferences for learning materials can significantly affect the choice of textbooks.

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I'm looking at purchasing Algebra (2nd Edition) by Michael Artin, is this a good book to purchase as my first intro to linear algebra book for self learning?
 
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No, it's not. Artin's book barely touches linear algebra. Sure, it does determinants and vector spaces and all that jazz. But you should get a book that focuses solely on linear algebra.

Furthermore, if you never heard of linear algebra before, then you should get an easier book.
 
micromass said:
No, it's not. Artin's book barely touches linear algebra. Sure, it does determinants and vector spaces and all that jazz. But you should get a book that focuses solely on linear algebra.

Furthermore, if you never heard of linear algebra before, then you should get an easier book.

oo micromass! we meet again old friend.. I got that book from the MIT site under the intro to algebra class syllabus. I'm not sure what an easier/good book is for intro to linear algebra tho. Any alternative suggestions?
 
Artin is an excellent book which you definitely should go through once. But right now, I don't think it's a very good idea to do it.

What's your current knowledge of linear algebra? For example, do you know what a matrix is? Do you know how to multiply and invert matrices? Do you know what a determinant is?
 
micromass said:
Artin is an excellent book which you definitely should go through once. But right now, I don't think it's a very good idea to do it.

What's your current knowledge of linear algebra? For example, do you know what a matrix is? Do you know how to multiply and invert matrices? Do you know what a determinant is?

Nothing, I've scene what matrix's look like and done some small multiplying/inversion but it didnt count for anything. Something from ground zero.
 
Radic S said:
Nothing, I've scene what matrix's look like and done some small multiplying/inversion but it didnt count for anything. Something from ground zero.

OK, what about other mathematics? Stuff like analytic geometry: equations of lines and planes? Dot product? Trigonometry?
 
micromass said:
OK, what about other mathematics? Stuff like analytic geometry: equations of lines and planes? Dot product? Trigonometry?

I finished an introduction to calculus and vectors. I'm currently working on
http://ocw.mit.edu/resources/res-18-006-calculus-revisited-single-variable-calculus-fall-2010/ to help me prepare for a more advanced calculus book. The book I'm using with this is Calculus and Analytic Geometry (9th Edition) by Thomas and Finney
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0201531747/?tag=pfamazon01-20

You've helped me before micromass, this has a better summary of where I was and the calculus course I linked is what I'm taking to prepare for what I was referring to on this post

https://www.physicsforums.com/threa...c-feedback-on-math-book-to-learn-next.878148/
 
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Sounds good, ordered both of them. Couple weeks and i'll have some more work to do. heh

Thanks again for your help!
 
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Don't order the books immediately! You should always read the first few sections to see whether you even like the book. It's not because I like a book that it is suitable for you. Books are very personal things.
 
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micromass said:
Don't order the books immediately! You should always read the first few sections to see whether you even like the book. It's not because I like a book that it is suitable for you. Books are very personal things.

I got the practice problems, i'll read a bit into the book and see how it feels. I have a couple sample pages to try out.
 
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I'm not a big fan of khanacademy for anything more than the practice questions they have. I liked his explanations when I first started math, after I got exposed to it a bit more I find his rambles a lot and confused me more at times than needed.

I was going to watch these lectures
http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/mathematics/18-06sc-linear-algebra-fall-2011/
I think I saw one from yale as well which should be good stuff. I'll take a look at Hello Again, Linear Algebra, see what it's all about.

Thanks a lot! :D
 
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smodak said:
Another great companion book on linear algebra is (very inexpensive and a must have in my opinion)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00HLW5V9U/?tag=pfamazon01-20

The author has a series of excellent video lectures on linear algebra
https://www.lem.ma/web/#/books/VBS92YDYuscc5-lK/landing

I like Pavel Grinfeld's stuff too, on youtube he has additional lectures for tensor calculus to go with his other book as well.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCr22xikWUK2yUW4YxOKXclQ/playlists
What I especially like about youtube for watching lectures is that if you find any lecture too slow moving you can speed it up to 1.25x or 1.5x :)
 
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Crash course in linear algebra:
Once you understand the concept of dimension of a vector space, and in particular know what a basis is, the next concept is that of a linear transformation, and then the fundamental problem in linear algebra is to classify all linear transformations of a finite dimensional space to itself. The basic model example is the transformation defined by multiplication by X, on the quotient space k[X]/(f) where f = a0+a1X+...+an-1X^(n-1) + X^n is a monic polynomial of degree n. This space has natural basis 1,X,X^2,...,X^(n-1), and in this basis the given map permutes the basis vectors cyclically (i.e. 1 is sent to X, X is sent to X^2,...) until the last one X^(n-1), which is sent to X^n, which in the quotient space equals the following linear combination of the basis vectors: -a0 - a1X -a2X^2-...-an-1X^(n-1). The fundamental theorem says that every linear transformation of a finite dimensional space is a product of these models. I.e. this is essentially the most general linear transformation.

A refinement says that we can reduce to the case where the polynomial f is a power of an irreducible polynomial. Hence over an algebraically closed field like the complex numbers, we can assume the polynomial is (X-c)^n, where c is a constant. In this case, it is more natural to take as basis the set 1, (X-c),...,(X-c)^(n-1), i.e. powers of (X-c) instead of powers of X. In this basis the map sends each vector (except the last) to the next basis vector plus c times itself, and sends the last vector just to c times itself. In this basis the map is said to be in "Jordan form".

The simplest case is when the power of (X-c) is one, and the map is a product of copies of the map multiplication by X on the space k[X]/(X-c), i.e. the space is a product of subspaces on each of which the map is just multiplication by a constant. These are called diagonalizable maps, and there exist some important criteria to recognize some such maps, the simplest of which, over the real numbers, is that the matrix for the map is symmetric about the main diagonal. These theorems are called "spectral theorems".

I would also benefit from some clarification by micromass of his statement that artin barely touches on linear algebra, since he devotes chapters 1,3,4,7 to elementary linear algebra, then combines it with group theory in chapters 8 and 9, (representations of linear groups), and finally in chapter 12, applies module theory to deduce the jordan normal form. So in a sense he gives a complete treatment of all the linear algebra I outlined above, and even uses linear algebra to motivate and illustrate group theory.

I would guess that the message is that Artin's treatment is an advanced one and not recommended for an introduction. It was apparently intended as one for MIT students however and does cover pretty much everything, if somewhat efficiently.
 
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