Radio Signal Basics: Generating & Receiving

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The discussion revolves around the basic components and arrangements needed to generate and receive a radio signal, particularly in the context of a project to make an LED flicker when a front door opens. Participants explore both wired and wireless methods of signal transmission, as well as amplification techniques.

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  • Some participants suggest that sending a signal along wires is the simplest method, using a switch on the door jamb and low voltage AC current.
  • Others propose using an oscillator, such as a transistor with positive feedback or a 555 chip, to send signals wirelessly, while cautioning about frequency selection to avoid interference.
  • There are mentions of using ultrasound as an alternative method, utilizing piezo-electric transducers for transmission and reception.
  • One participant questions the capability of a transistor to send a radio signal and seeks clarification on the mechanism and reception process.
  • Another participant explains that a transistor can oscillate and launch a radio wave, with circuit wires acting as an antenna, and describes how to amplify the signal using another transistor.
  • Participants discuss the specifics of circuit design, including the use of resistors and capacitors to stabilize and control oscillation frequencies.

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Participants present multiple competing views on the methods for generating and receiving radio signals, with no consensus reached on the best approach. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal configuration and components.

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Some technical details about circuit stability and feedback mechanisms are mentioned, but there are unresolved assumptions about component specifications and configurations. The discussion includes various approaches without a definitive solution.

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Individuals interested in basic electronics, radio signal transmission, DIY projects, and those exploring practical applications of oscillators and transistors may find this discussion relevant.

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What are the most basic components I need to generate and receive a radio signal and how would I arrange them?

For instance imagine I want to make an LED in my bedroom flicker when my front door opens. Firstly how would I make this happen at the most basic level, so that some signal is received and secondly how would I amplify this signal so that, for instance, the light stays on for 5 seconds? I'm guessing for the latter I just need to learn how a 555 chip works so I'm more interested in the former question.

Thanks in advance.
 
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wannab said:
What are the most basic components I need to generate and receive a radio signal and how would I arrange them?

For instance imagine I want to make an LED in my bedroom flicker when my front door opens. Firstly how would I make this happen at the most basic level, so that some signal is received and secondly how would I amplify this signal so that, for instance, the light stays on for 5 seconds? I'm guessing for the latter I just need to learn how a 555 chip works so I'm more interested in the former question.

Thanks in advance.

The easiest way is to send the signal along wires. Fit a switch on the door jamb.
Do this with low voltage ac current (not batteries) and the signal IS INDEED a traveling wave field (radio!) guided by the wire.

To light the led you need a source of power. 2 volts at 25 mA and a resistor to limit the current below 30 mA..

To send the signal wirelessly, you need an oscillator.
Any one will do. A transistor with positive feedback! A 555 chip wired fo feedback.
But TRY not to annoy the neighbours - choose a frequency (and one alone!) not in the radio bands.

How about using ultrasound (provided you have no dog,cat ar canary)
Piezo-electric transducers are cheap
Get two. Rig up one as transmitter (oscillator) - the other as receiver

The old Space Command" Zenith Tvs used ultrasound. In your case a littl "hammer" strikes an aluminium rod (in the Space command unit) (think of a xylophone) and the receiver picks up the untrasound and switches on your LED instead of the TV.

Go to a model shop and ask about model airoplane and car radio-control components.
They might have a "broken" model they'd give you the radio parts from.
Above all, have FUN.
 
Drmarshall said:
The easiest way is to send the signal along wires. Fit a switch on the door jamb.
Do this with low voltage ac current (not batteries) and the signal IS INDEED a traveling wave field (radio!) guided by the wire.

To light the led you need a source of power. 2 volts at 25 mA and a resistor to limit the current below 30 mA..

To send the signal wirelessly, you need an oscillator.
Any one will do. A transistor with positive feedback! A 555 chip wired fo feedback.
But TRY not to annoy the neighbours - choose a frequency (and one alone!) not in the radio bands.

How about using ultrasound (provided you have no dog,cat ar canary)
Piezo-electric transducers are cheap
Get two. Rig up one as transmitter (oscillator) - the other as receiver

The old Space Command" Zenith Tvs used ultrasound. In your case a littl "hammer" strikes an aluminium rod (in the Space command unit) (think of a xylophone) and the receiver picks up the untrasound and switches on your LED instead of the TV.

Go to a model shop and ask about model airoplane and car radio-control components.
They might have a "broken" model they'd give you the radio parts from.
Above all, have FUN.
A transistor is capable of sending a radio signal? How does this work? How would I receive it?
 
wannab said:
A transistor is capable of sending a radio signal? How does this work? How would I receive it?








You need a power supply - enough to turn on the transistor 2 or 3 volts
Feed the transistors oupput to its input, via a capacitor to block dc
It will oscillate.
This will launch a radio wave - using the tansistor circuit wires as antenna
Any wire or loop will pick up this signal
Another transistor will amplify it (use it to turn on current from a powr supply)
This current can light your LED
 
Drmarshall said:
You need a power supply - enough to turn on the transistor 2 or 3 volts
Feed the transistors oupput to its input, via a capacitor to block dc
It will oscillate.
This will launch a radio wave - using the tansistor circuit wires as antenna
Any wire or loop will pick up this signal
Another transistor will amplify it (use it to turn on current from a powr supply)
This current can light your LED
To the base or the collector? Would you be able to show me a circuit diagram where this oscillation occurs?
 
The "Grounded emmitter" is the easiest. From the power supply to ground joinn 2 1K resistors in series
If the supply is 3v the mid point will be at 1.5 volts.
This would turn the transistor on, if of the right type for the polarity of your power supply.

Though 1.5v from base to emitter (emitter grounded) would turn the transistor on, it is thermally unstable.
To stabilise it we apply "negative feedback"
All this means is "The higher the current the LOWER the base volts".
This is so SIMPLE to do. Put a 470 ohn resistor from ground to emitter as the only emitter connection.
Now it will sit there with current flowing.

Now to get an output voltage, put a 1K resistor from collector to power supply so the collector current flows thru it
Now join a 1 uF capacitor from collector to base
Expect oscillations around t=1/RC = 1/(500 times 10^-6) = 2 KHz
Hear these with headpones.
To up the frequency to 200 KHz try .01 uF
If it needs more gain (unlikely with modern transistors) place a .1uF capacitor in parallel with the 470 ohm resistor

Have FUN
 

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