Radius of curvature of glass and water lens

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The discussion centers on determining the radii of curvature for a lens made of glass and water, specifically whether r1 is 20 cm and r2 is 10 cm or vice versa. The confusion arises from understanding how the curvature relates to the size of the radii, with the tighter curve corresponding to the smaller radius. A diagram was drawn to illustrate the relationship between two circles of different sizes, emphasizing that the intersections of the circles indicate the curvature. It was concluded that r1 must be the smaller radius due to its tighter curvature, reinforcing the principle that the curvature's tightness determines the radius size. The conversation highlights the importance of visual representation in grasping geometric relationships in optics.
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by taking the lower curvature as r1 , and the upper curvature as r2 ,
i don't know whether r1 is 20cm , r2 is 10cm or vice versa.

But according to the ans r1= 10 cm , r2= 20cm . why is it so?

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Draw two circles the same size, with centres only a little apart. look at where the circles meet in relation to the two centres. The line joining the the intersections bisects the line joining the centres.
If the circles have different radii then the intersections will be closer to one of the circle centres - which one?
 
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haruspex said:
Draw two circles the same size, with centres only a little apart. look at where the circles meet in relation to the two centres. The line joining the the intersections bisects the line joining the centres.
If the circles have different radii then the intersections will be closer to one of the circle centres - which one?

i drew the diagram , and it show what you have said. but i still don't understand why it is so . can you explain further?
 
desmond iking said:
i drew the diagram , and it show what you have said. but i still don't understand why it is so . can you explain further?

Let me try another approach.
Wrt the original diagram, the question is whether r1 can be the larger radius.
Start with two circles of different radii, with the smaller inside and touching the larger. For reference, take the circle centres to be on the same X axis, with the point of contact on the left.
If we shift the smaller to the left it will be partly outside, and the left half of the arrangement will look like the original diagram but with r1 as the smaller radius. So see what happens if we shift it to the right.
At first, the smaller will be wholly inside the larger, no intersection. When intersection occurs again, the right half will again look like the original diagram, but again, with r1 as the smaller radius.
If we continue moving the smaller to the right, until it is nearly outside the larger, neither the left half nor the right half of the arrangement looks quite like the original diagram. In each case, the lens stretches more than half way around the circles.

You may think that's a lot to have to go through in order to solve the given problem. I didn't have to go through all that to solove it, because I just looked at the diagram and saw that r1 was the tighter curve, so must have the smaller radius. But I couldn't see a way to turn that into a solid argument.
 
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