Rainfall drop velocity from a given height (not terminal)

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The discussion revolves around the modeling of raindrop fall velocity from a given height, specifically focusing on sub-terminal speeds. Participants explore fluid mechanics and Newtonian principles as they relate to the dynamics of raindrops, including the forces acting on them and the mathematical modeling required to simulate their behavior.

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  • One participant presents an equation for calculating the forces acting on a raindrop, including terms for gravitational force, drag, and empirical constants related to Reynolds and Weber numbers.
  • Another participant suggests reformulating the problem as a differential equation to facilitate numerical solutions in MATLAB, emphasizing the need to express forces as functions of the drop's velocity.
  • A different viewpoint raises concerns about potential significant errors in numerical solutions and proposes focusing on the difference between the drop's velocity and terminal velocity to find suitable approximations for analytic solutions.
  • A later reply indicates that the original poster believes they have resolved their issue, though details of this resolution are not provided.

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Participants present multiple approaches to modeling the problem, indicating a lack of consensus on the best method to use. While some suggest numerical solutions, others advocate for analytic approaches, highlighting differing perspectives on the modeling strategy.

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The discussion includes unresolved mathematical complexities, such as the integral involved in calculating fall velocity and the dependence on empirical constants, which may affect the accuracy of the models proposed.

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hi everybody,

I posted this in an engineering forum but I think it's more relevant here, because it's really just a question of fluid and Newtonian mechanics.

I'm working on a project where I'm trying to measure raindrop parameters, and one thing I'm looking at is the sub-terminal speed of drops released from a certain height. The equation that I'm using is from http://staff.science.uva.nl/~jboxel/Publications/PDFs/Gent_98.pdf

The gist of the equation that I was considering is:

F = g*ρw*∏*d^3/6 - 3*∏*d*μ*V*Ct*Cd

where Ct = 1+0.16*Re^(2/3)

and Re = ρVD/μ;

and Cd = 1+a(We+b)^c - ab^c

where a,b,c are empirically derived constants and We = ρ*V^2*d/σ

Basically, when I put everything together and try to calculate fall velocity, I get stuck with a disgusting integral, because I use

V(t)=∫a(t) = (1/m)*∫F(t)

Does anybody have suggestions for how to approach this? I just want to make a model in matlab.. it seems like I could do some kind of step approach, because I looked at the integral and it's really nasty, but I don't know what to do, because I have V(t) on both sides...

Or if anybody knows of a simpler model presented in a paper, I could use that too. I just want to compare my data with a preexisting model; it's not critical to my project, but I think it's important.
 
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As I see it you need to write it in the from of a differential equation and Matlab will solve it (numericaly or otherwise):
Sum( Force( V(t) ) ) = mV'(t)
i.e. the sum of all the forces acting on the drop (drag ect.) - you need to write the those forces as a function of the drops velocity, equals the mass of the drop times acceleration (derivative of velocity with time).

Cheers.Roman.
 
The most obvious numerical solutions might accumulate significant errors.
If you're interested in the way it approaches terminal velocity, you should try working with the dependent variable being the difference between V and Vt. You might then be able to make suitable approximations to obtain an analytic solution for the asymptotic behaviour.
But it would require knowing the values of the constants and figuring out what terms can be ignored.
 
Sweet, i think I figured it oUt. Thanks
 

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