Rate of flow - thermal physics

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The discussion revolves around a thermal physics problem involving the rate of flow of air in an air-cooled engine. The problem states that the engine generates a certain amount of waste power and provides a temperature difference, asking for the rate of air flow needed to extract this power. Participants are exploring the application of thermodynamic principles to solve the problem.

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  • Participants express uncertainty about how to start the problem and question the relevance of certain equations. There are discussions about reformulating the problem statement and separating givens from the results. Some participants suggest manipulating relevant equations to express the flow rate.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the problem with various participants offering guidance on how to approach the formulation and interpretation of the problem. Some participants have pointed out the need for clarity in the problem statement and the importance of understanding the underlying thermodynamic principles.

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Participants are reminded of forum guidelines regarding the necessity of posting their own attempts before receiving help. There is also a note about the specific heat capacity of air and its correct units, indicating a focus on unit consistency in the discussion.

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Homework Statement
"The temperature difference between the inlet and the outlet of an air-cooled engine is 30.0 K. The engine generates 7.0 kW of waste power that the air extracts from the engine. Calculate the rate of flow of air (in kg s–1) needed to extract this power. Specifc heat capacity of air (at constant pressure)
= 1.01 × 10^3 J kg–1 K–1 "
Relevant Equations
power/specific heat capacityXtemperautre
Frankly, i don't even know how to start this. I deducted from the solution, that they must have used power/(specific heat capacity x temperautre), however i don't understand how that will give the rate of flow of air. Could anybody help, please?
 
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Kathhhriine said:
Frankly, i don't even know how to start this.
Isn't good enough: we are not allowed to help if you don't post your own attempt

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/homework-help-guidelines-for-students-and-helpers.686781/

Kathhhriine said:
pressure/specific heat capacityXtemperautre
What on Earth is that for an equation ?

Kathhhriine said:
Homework Statement:: "The temperature difference between the inlet and the outlet of an air-cooled engine is 30.0 K. The engine generates 7.0 kW of waste power that the air extracts from the engine. Calculate the rate of flow of air (in kg s–1) needed to extract this power. Specifc heat capacity of air (at constant pressure)
= 1.01 × 103 J kg–1 K–1 "
Try to re-formulate this in your own words, clearly separating the givens from the results asked for

Kathhhriine said:
Specifc heat capacity of air (at constant pressure)
= 1.01 × 103 J kg–1 K–1 "
You mean 1.01 kJ/(kg.K) ?

There is a subscript button under
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Kathhhriine said:
I deducted from the solution, that they must have used pressure/(specific heat capacity x temperautre)
unlikely: pressure isn't mentioned in the problem statement.

Kathhhriine said:
how that will give the rate of flow of air
Have you done other exercises before ? Call the flow F (kg/s) and manipulate the relevant equation until you have F = ... :smile:
 
This is a problem in the application of the open system (control volume) version of the first law of thermodynamics for steady state flow. Are you familiar with this equation. If so, please write it down and also identify the control volume that should be used in this problem.
 
BvU said:
Isn't good enough: we are not allowed to help if you don't post your own attempt

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/homework-help-guidelines-for-students-and-helpers.686781/

What on Earth is that for an equation ?

Try to re-formulate this in your own words, clearly separating the givens from the results asked for

You mean 1.01 kJ/(kg.K) ?

There is a subscript button under View attachment 273489 in the edit window toolbarunlikely: pressure isn't mentioned in the problem statement.

Have you done other exercises before ? Call the flow F (kg/s) and manipulate the relevant equation until you have F = ... :smile:

I meant power, where i wrote pressure, sorry. :oops:
 
BvU said:
Try to re-formulate this (the problem statement) in your own words, clearly separating the givens from the results asked for
Another tip: look carefully at the units
 
I guess I'll answer my own question. The correct equation to use is $$\dot{m}\Delta h=\dot{Q}$$where ##\dot{m}## is the mass flow rate, h is the specific enthalpy, and ##\dot{Q}## is the rate of heat transfer to the coolant air.
 

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