Ratio of Orbital Distance to Transit Time

AI Thread Summary
The discussion revolves around a passage from Jonathan Swift's "Gulliver's Travels," which describes two fictional satellites of Mars with specific orbital distances and periods. While the passage is not scientifically accurate, it coincidentally resembles the actual characteristics of Mars' moons, Phobos and Deimos, discovered in 1877. The ratios mentioned in Swift's work align closely with Kepler's laws of planetary motion, suggesting he may have drawn from earlier astronomical observations. Participants note that Swift's description is a fanciful creation rather than a factual prediction. Ultimately, the ratios can be validated through Newton's laws of motion and gravity.
Panda
Messages
197
Reaction score
0
I was reading Gullivers Travels to my son over Christmas and in a voyage to Laputa there is a passage illustrating their prowess at astronomy. The passage goes:

They have likewise discovered two lesser stars, or satellites, that revolve about Mars, whereof the innermost is distant from the centre of the primaryplanet exactly three of his diameters, and the outermost five; the former revolves in the space of ten hours, and the latter in twenty-one and a half; so that the squares of their periodical times are very near the same proportion with the cubes of their distance from the centre of Mars, which evidently shows them to be governed by the same law of gravitation, that influences the other heavenly bodies.

Not being an expert in planetary physics I was wondering is this passage:

a) Correct, in which case what are the actual equations?
b) Incorrect, but was generally believed true in 1726 when the book was written?
c) Just a piece of fancy of "the Mad Parson" Jonathan Swift?
 
Astronomy news on Phys.org
The equations are correct (Kepler's Laws). The answer to your question is (c). Deimos and Phobos were discovered in 1877.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phobos_(moon)#Jonathan_Swift.27s_.27prediction.27":
In part 3 chapter 3 (the "Voyage to Laputa") of Jonathan Swift's famous satire Gulliver's Travels, a fictional work written in 1726, the astronomers of Laputa are described as having discovered two satellites of Mars orbiting at distances of 3 and 5 Martian diameters, and periods of 10 and 21.5 hours, respectively. The actual orbital distances and periods of Phobos and Deimos are 1.4 and 3.5 Martian diameters, and 7.6 and 30.3 hours, respectively. This is regarded as a fascinating coincidence; no telescope in Swift's day would have been even remotely powerful enough to discover these satellites.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Edit: Crossed post

It was just a "piece of fancy of "the Mad Parson" Jonathan Swift"; the satellites Phobos and Deimos not being discovered until 1877 by Hall in Washington DC.

However, remarkably, it was a very accurate "piece of fancy" as Phobos is 1.3 and Deimos 3.4 Mars diameters from the planet's centre. Phobos orbital period is 7.4 hours and Deimos 30.2 hours.

Garth
 
Therefore Swift was using what Keplar had observed 100 years earlier, and just made up a few moons.

Is this ratio provable using laws of dynamics or similar or is it just by observation?
 
Panda said:
Therefore Swift was using what Keplar had observed 100 years earlier, and just made up a few moons.

Is this ratio provable using laws of dynamics or similar or is it just by observation?

It is easily proven through Newton's laws of motion and Gravity.
 
TL;DR Summary: In 3 years, the Square Kilometre Array (SKA) telescope (or rather, a system of telescopes) should be put into operation. In case of failure to detect alien signals, it will further expand the radius of the so-called silence (or rather, radio silence) of the Universe. Is there any sense in this or is blissful ignorance better? In 3 years, the Square Kilometre Array (SKA) telescope (or rather, a system of telescopes) should be put into operation. In case of failure to detect...
Thread 'Could gamma-ray bursts have an intragalactic origin?'
This is indirectly evidenced by a map of the distribution of gamma-ray bursts in the night sky, made in the form of an elongated globe. And also the weakening of gamma radiation by the disk and the center of the Milky Way, which leads to anisotropy in the possibilities of observing gamma-ray bursts. My line of reasoning is as follows: 1. Gamma radiation should be absorbed to some extent by dust and other components of the interstellar medium. As a result, with an extragalactic origin, fewer...
This thread is dedicated to the beauty and awesomeness of our Universe. If you feel like it, please share video clips and photos (or nice animations) of space and objects in space in this thread. Your posts, clips and photos may by all means include scientific information; that does not make it less beautiful to me (n.b. the posts must of course comply with the PF guidelines, i.e. regarding science, only mainstream science is allowed, fringe/pseudoscience is not allowed). n.b. I start this...

Similar threads

Replies
6
Views
4K
Back
Top