Ratio of shear stress to normal stress along principle place

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the ratio of shear stress to normal stress along principal planes in a multi-axial state of stress. Participants explore definitions, equations, and interpretations related to principal directions of stress, as well as the implications for calculating the shear stress ratio.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks help in determining the ratio of shear stress to normal stress, expressing confusion over the correct equations to use.
  • Another participant asks for the definition of a principal direction of stress, suggesting it is where the transformed normal stress vector is maximized.
  • A participant states that substituting the angles for principal directions results in zero shear stress, leading to a ratio of zero, but expresses uncertainty about this conclusion.
  • Another participant agrees that principal directions have zero shear stress but questions how shear stress can be zero if the stresses are transformed at an angle.
  • One participant points out an omitted equation for shear stress in the transformed coordinate system and emphasizes the need to determine angles for which shear stress is zero.
  • Another participant acknowledges using the wrong equation initially and shares a corrected equation for shear stress, seeking to express it in terms of theta.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of principal directions and the conditions under which shear stress equals zero. There is no consensus on the correct ratio of shear stress to normal stress, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various equations and relationships without fully resolving the mathematical steps or assumptions involved in their calculations. The discussion highlights the complexity of transforming stress components and the conditions under which shear stress is considered zero.

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Homework Statement


"In a component under multi-axial state of stress, the ratio of shear stress to normal stress along principle places is _____.

A) 0.0 B) 0.5 C) 1.0 D) 1.5 E)2.0"

Homework Equations


σx' = (σxy)/2 + ((σxy)/2)*cos(2θ) + τxy*sin(2θ)

σy' = (σxy)/2 - ((σxy)/2)*cos(2θ) - τxy*sin(2θ)

τmax,in plane = √[((σxy)/2)2 + τxy2]

σ1,2 = (σxy)/2) ± [((σxy)/2)2 + τxy2]

τmax,absolute = σ1/2

The Attempt at a Solution



Ratio of shear stress to normal stress?? ->
τmax,in planex' ->
max,in plane = √[((σxy)/2)2 + τxy2]] / [σx' = (σxy)/2 + ((σxy)/2)*cos(2θ) + τxy*sin(2θ)]

Impossible to simplify? Wrong ratio equations?

I don't know what to do. Please help. I have heard from different sources that it is either 0 or 0.5 neither with explanations or work shown.

Thank you
 
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What is the definition of a principal direction of stress?
 
Chestermiller said:
What is the definition of a principal direction of stress?
If I understand correctly the definition of a principal direction of stress is the stress vector at which the transformed normal stress vector is maximized.

According to the book If I substitute the relations for ThetaP1 or ThetaP2, which are 90deg apart the shear stress will equal 0 and thus the ratio will equal zero. However I'm missing how it is that the shear stress would always equal 0 given the substitution
 
My understanding is that the principal directions are those for which the shear component of the traction vector on a plane normal to the principal direction is equal to zero.
 
Chestermiller said:
My understanding is that the principal directions are those for which the shear component of the traction vector on a plane normal to the principal direction is equal to zero.
If a plane is at some angle and the stresses are transformed such that one is normal and one is parallel with the plane then wouldn't the vector that is parallel be the shear component and thus not be 0 ? I'm definitively missing something here
 
One equation you omitted from your original post is the shear stress in the transformed coordinate system. Please include that too. The principal directions are those for which this shear stress is zero. Let's determine the angles for which that is zero, and then see what we get for the normal stress components.
 
Chestermiller said:
One equation you omitted from your original post is the shear stress in the transformed coordinate system. Please include that too. The principal directions are those for which this shear stress is zero. Let's determine the angles for which that is zero, and then see what we get for the normal stress components.

Ah yea I used the wrong equation in my original post. However even with the other one I couldn't come up with any results.

Here's the other one τx'y' = - ((σxy)/2)*sin(2θ) + τxy*cos(2θ)
 
AnotherParadox said:
Ah yea I used the wrong equation in my original post. However even with the other one I couldn't come up with any results.

Here's the other one τx'y' = - ((σxy)/2)*sin(2θ) + τxy*cos(2θ)
OK. So, from this equation, in terms theta, what is the equation for this shear stress being zero?

The equation for ##\sigma_{x'}## can be rewritten as:
$$\sigma_{x'}=\frac{(\sigma_x+\sigma_{y})}{2}+\sqrt{\left(\frac{\sigma_x-\sigma_y}{2}\right)^2+\tau_{xy}^2}\ \left(\cos{\phi}\cos{2\theta}+\sin{\phi}\sin{2\theta}\right)$$where$$\cos{\phi}=\frac{\frac{\sigma_x-\sigma_y}{2}}{\sqrt{\left(\frac{\sigma_x-\sigma_y}{2}\right)^2+\tau_{xy}^2}}$$and $$\sin{\phi}=\frac{\tau_{xy}}{\sqrt{\left(\frac{\sigma_x-\sigma_y}{2}\right)^2+\tau_{xy}^2}}$$
OK so far? For ##\tau_{x'y'}##, can you figure out how to express this in a similar way?
 

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