Rational function hole at (0, 0)?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of a rational function, specifically f(x) = 2x / (x^3 - 6x^2 + 3x + 10). Participants are exploring the implications of horizontal and vertical asymptotes, particularly at the point (0, 0).

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are questioning the relationship between horizontal asymptotes and the existence of function values at those asymptotes. They are also examining the conditions under which the function is defined, particularly at x = 0, and whether the domain should exclude this point.

Discussion Status

There is an active exploration of the concepts of asymptotes and their implications for the function's behavior. Some participants have provided insights regarding vertical asymptotes and clarified that a function can indeed take on values at horizontal asymptotes, leading to further questioning of assumptions.

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Participants have identified vertical asymptotes at other values of x, which are separate from the discussion about the horizontal asymptote at y = 0. There is an ongoing examination of the definitions and implications of these asymptotes.

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The function is f(x) = 2x / x3 - 6x2 + 3x + 10

I was taught that any rational function with a numerator of smaller degree than the denominator has a horizontal asymptote at y = 0, which would apply in this case.

This makes sense for the end behaviors because as x approaches +/- ∞, y approaches 0. However, when x = 0, there seems to be no problem solving the equation and ending up with y = 0, which should be impossible since there's an asymptote there. Should my domain include x ≠ 0? Why is this? The equation resolves normally when x = 0, I thought you only needed restrictions to prevent dividing by 0.
 
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Esoremada said:
The function is f(x) = 2x / x3 - 6x2 + 3x + 10

I was taught that any rational function with a numerator of smaller degree than the denominator has a horizontal asymptote at y = 0, which would apply in this case.

This makes sense for the end behaviors because as x approaches +/- ∞, y approaches 0. However, when x = 0, there seems to be no problem solving the equation and ending up with y = 0, which should be impossible since there's an asymptote there. Should my domain include x ≠ 0? Why is this? The equation resolves normally when x = 0, I thought you only needed restrictions to prevent dividing by 0.

Yes. f(x)=0, there is no problem there. But your denominator is zero at some other values of x. Can you find them?
 
Esoremada said:
The function is f(x) = 2x / x3 - 6x2 + 3x + 10

I was taught that any rational function with a numerator of smaller degree than the denominator has a horizontal asymptote at y = 0, which would apply in this case.

This makes sense for the end behaviors because as x approaches +/- ∞, y approaches 0. However, when x = 0, there seems to be no problem solving the equation and ending up with y = 0, which should be impossible since there's an asymptote there. Should my domain include x ≠ 0? Why is this? The equation resolves normally when x = 0, I thought you only needed restrictions to prevent dividing by 0.

Well, you're not dividing by zero at x=0, so there is no vertical asymptote at that point. As Dick mentioned, there are vertical asymptotes elsewhere however.
 
So the horizontal asymptote at y = 0 doesn't restrict that point, where y indeed equals 0? I found the 3 vertical asymptotes, those aren't what are confusing me. I thought an asymptote at y = n meant no points can exist with a y value of n.
 
Esoremada said:
So the horizontal asymptote at y = 0 doesn't restrict that point, where y indeed equals 0? I found the 3 vertical asymptotes, those aren't what are confusing me. I thought an asymptote at y = n meant no points can exist with a y value of n.

No. An asymptote at y=n just means that the limit as x->infinity (or -infinity) of y(x) is n, as you said. y(x) can equal n for finite values of x.
 
In fact, a function can cut its horizontal asymptotes infinitely many times, such as y = sin(x)/x. Vertical asymptotes can't be cut though.
 

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