Reading proofs - impeding learning?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the impact of reading proofs on the learning process in mathematics and related fields. Participants explore whether looking at proofs aids or hinders the development of problem-solving skills and understanding of theorems and axioms.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that reading proofs can impede learning by removing the essential thinking process involved in problem-solving.
  • Others suggest that reading proofs can help learners acquire techniques and strategies that may be applicable to different problems.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of attempting to solve a problem independently before consulting a proof, suggesting that initial thought is crucial.
  • Another participant disagrees with the notion that one should always know everything required for a proof, noting that many proofs have unique approaches that may not be immediately apparent.
  • It is mentioned that while solving proofs builds skills, reading them is also important for developing a body of knowledge and techniques.
  • Some participants express that looking up solutions can be beneficial after a reasonable amount of time spent on a problem, as it can lead to learning new techniques or confirming one's approach.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of reading proofs in learning. While some believe it hinders the learning process, others argue it is beneficial for acquiring knowledge and techniques. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the balance between independent problem-solving and the use of proofs, highlighting the importance of context in determining when to consult a proof. There are varying assumptions about the prerequisites for understanding proofs and the nature of learning in mathematics.

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When solving a problem, the last thing you want to do is look at the solution. When you're trying to prove a theorem, axiom or whatever, is looking at a proof something that would impede your learning? To me it seems that the answer is yes. Looking at a proof removes the thinking process so essential to learning. What's you're take on that?
 
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reading a proof helps you try to learn the process to prove a similar problem or to learn tricks that may combine on a totally different problem in math.

Hence when reading a proving techniques proof. You read through them and then apply it to the text problems.
 
Just take a minute to think of how you would attack the problem. If you've been working through a textbook and you come to a new result, you should usually know everything required for the proof. So it never hurts to give it a little bit of thought on your own before going ahead and reading it.
 
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you should usually know everything required for the proof.

Hmmm... I disagree with that.

There are many proofs that have many spins on them that not that many people would have thought of it. In fact, usually only one person has thought of it.
 
It is important to solve proofs to build skills, but it is also important to read proofs so that you have a body of knowledge and techniques to draw from.
 
Werg22 said:
When you're trying to prove a theorem, axiom or whatever,
If you are trying to prove an axiom you have much bigger problems than "looking ahead"
 
Werg22 said:
When solving a problem, the last thing you want to do is look at the solution. When you're trying to prove a theorem, axiom or whatever, is looking at a proof something that would impede your learning? To me it seems that the answer is yes. Looking at a proof removes the thinking process so essential to learning. What's you're take on that?

Is your question about when trying prove theorem A and can't do it. It would be bad to just look up theorem A in a book?

So it's just like looking up a solution to a problem that you can't do. That is always not recommanded but compare to spending 3 or more hours doing that problem when you have other subjects as well, I would look up the solution. At least you can learn something from looking at the solution. But make sure you have a good go at the problem or proof first.
 
Also, when you're doing a problem, it's ok to look at the solution after awhile of not solving. Just think about the techniques you think you would take, but just can't finish it up. And see if they used that technique, if not, you learn a new, if yes, then you know you're going in the right direction and learn how to apply it.
 

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