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The discussion centers around Sarah Palin's comments regarding "real America," which she associates with small towns and hardworking Americans, contrasting them with urban areas. This sparked debate about her implied division between "pro-American" and "anti-American" regions, raising questions about whether she views certain demographics, particularly urban populations, as less patriotic. Critics argue that her rhetoric suggests a narrow definition of American identity, potentially linked to race and class. Concerns are also raised about her qualifications and political associations, including her husband's past affiliations with a secessionist group. Participants express skepticism about her understanding of complex issues, particularly economic challenges faced by rural states. The conversation touches on broader themes of racism, anti-intellectualism, and the implications of her candidacy for the Vice Presidency, with some fearing that her views reflect a divisive and intolerant America. Overall, the dialogue reveals deep divisions in perceptions of patriotism and identity in the context of the 2008 presidential campaign.
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mgb_phys said:
Well McCain probably doesn't want to go hunting with republican vice presidents!

I can't imagine that anyone would.

The surprising thing to me about paranoid Cheney going hunting was that they let the other hunters have live ammo.
 
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  • #52
Well in GRT we are talking about relativistic electrons, but uh it has to also, with job creation. I now have thorough knowledge of relativity because in so doing I can see Russia from my house and I know is all relative because even after we lose I will still be wearing lipstick and I will be a hockey mom...well my daughter also..will be a hockey mom...ooops..sorry mr. Conservative.
 
  • #53
The GOP reaching across the aisle.

Folks, there’s a real America, and liberals hate real Americans that work, and accomplish, and achieve, and believe in God.” U.S. Rep. Robin Hayes, R-N.C., warming up a crowd for a McCain rally.

Hayes claims he has no memory of saying that, even though the comments were recorded. I actually believe him. Such sentiments are so engrained in certain people that they recite it without thinking about it, as they were rattling off their phone number or directions to their house. [continued]
http://www.ajc.com/services/content/shared-blogs/ajc/bookman/entries/2008/10/21/liberals_hate_real_americans_1.html

Is it any wonder when we consider that right-wing radio includes the likes of McCain's good buddy, G Gordon Liddy?
https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=265625
 
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  • #54
Ivan Seeking said:
She attends extremist end-time churches where people speak in tongues. Frankly, I think we have good reason to be very concerned about this woman and her "first dude".

While I share your distaste for Palin, the practice of speaking in tongues is probably the least disturbing thing about the various churches she has attended and religious leaders she has associated with (Ed Kalnins, Thomas Muthee, etc.). Couldn't you have left that out and included something more relevant to her political outlook?
 
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  • #55
Adeimantus said:
While I share your distaste for Palin, the practice of speaking in tongues is probably the least disturbing thing about the various churches she has attended and religious leaders she has associated with. Couldn't you have left that out and included something more relevant to her political outlook?

Is she one of the snake bite Pentecostals?

I don't think there are many snakes in Alaska ... except maybe some of the politicians.
 
  • #56
LowlyPion said:
Is she one of the snake bite Pentecostals?

I don't think there are many snakes in Alaska ... except maybe some of the politicians.

Haha. No, she's not. But that's a funny image. Actually, the snake handlers, or Sign Followers, as they like to be called, are pretty harmless to everyone else except themselves and their children. Oh, and the snakes probably don't like it. :wink:
 
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  • #57
LowlyPion said:
Is she one of the snake bite Pentecostals?
It's grizzly bear Pentecostals in Alaska - snakes are for softies.
 
  • #58
mgb_phys said:
It's grizzly bear Pentecostals in Alaska - snakes are for softies.

As a true test of faith they smear peanut butter over their face and go lay out by the dumpsters and wait for the bears?
 
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Adeimantus said:
While I share your distaste for Palin, the practice of speaking in tongues is probably the least disturbing thing about the various churches she has attended and religious leaders she has associated with (Ed Kalnins, Thomas Muthee, etc.). Couldn't you have left that out and included something more relevant to her political outlook?

Please feel free to list what you feel are more relevant objections. I guess for me, speaking in tongues crosses the line between irrational and delusional behavior, and faith. If this were simply a matter of faith, then I would say they are free to practice their faith, and I respect that right. But when it comes to someone governing the nation, it is another matter altogether. Now I am put in a position of making judgements about the person's logic and capacity for reason.
 
  • #60
Here's a Salon video report on Sarah Palin's Conservative Agenda.

http://www.salon.com/ent/video_dog/politics/2008/10/23/wp_religion/index.html?source=video&aim=/ent/video_dog/politics
 
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http://elections.foxnews.com/img/story/102308_robbery.jpg

PITTSBURGH -- Police are questioning several "inconsistencies" that have emerged in statements made by a woman claiming to be a John McCain volunteer who alleges she was robbed at knife point by an attacker who cut a "B" into her face after noticing a McCain bumper sticker on her car...
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/23/mccain-volunteer-says-mugged-b-carved-face/

This afternoon, a Pittsburgh police commander told KDKA Investigator Marty Griffin that Todd confessed to making up the story...
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/McCain_volunteer_recants.html?showall
 
  • #63
An interesting website: Sarah's Army

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
http://sarahsarmy.blogspot.com/

Given that Sarah's party had power for ten years, I wonder why they would be citing the Declaration of Independence.

...I meant the Republicans, not the Alaskan Independence Party.
 
  • #64
I am embarrassed that someone from above the 49th parallel is relying on small town charm to vie for such a big town position as Vice President of the United States. When "small, northern town charm" is manipulated in this way it is a front for "let's burn the witches and anything else that's not like us small town folk". These are the small town folks who wouldn't think twice about killing weeds (and everything else) with 24D or spreading small pox to make room for progress (historical account).
 
  • #65
Ivan Seeking said:
Please feel free to list what you feel are more relevant objections. I guess for me, speaking in tongues crosses the line between irrational and delusional behavior, and faith. If this were simply a matter of faith, then I would say they are free to practice their faith, and I respect that right. But when it comes to someone governing the nation, it is another matter altogether. Now I am put in a position of making judgements about the person's logic and capacity for reason.

I agree with your assessment of speaking in tongues as it reflects on a person's suitability for high office, but I would extend that reasoning even further to anyone whose religious group claims to have had the purpose of the universe revealed to them in a book. Sounds pretty elitist of me, doesn't it? And that's the problem. It gives Palin's supporters the opportunity to say, "Well, there they go again, those liberal elites poking fun at our small-town, hard-working, patriotic, real-American ways." And with that they distract attention from their more alarming intentions.

This video is a good start:



The first 4 minutes is relevant...everything after that is humorous but irrelevant and kinda stupid. I also take slight issue with the title of video. These are not your average pentecostals.
 
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  • #66
Adeimantus said:
I agree with your assessment of speaking in tongues as it reflects on a person's suitability for high office, but I would extend that reasoning even further to anyone whose religious group claims to have had the purpose of the universe revealed to them in a book.

One can make a logical leap of faith, but there are limits; beyond which one has to reject rational thought and accept anything or everything on faith. At that point a person could believe just about anything. That's why we get groups like Heaven's Gate, and the folks at Jonestown... and people who think Alaska was mentioned in prophesy.
 
  • #68
Here's an article that is useful mainly because at the end of it is a short summary of the NAR as well as links to other articles and videos. The info in the article itself is pretty bizarre, too, although it tends toward speculation about Palin's direct involvement in a witch hunt. A little sensationalist IMO.

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/10/24/125017/31

In Short: The New Apostolic Reformation and the Third Wave
The New Apostolic Reformation is a recently institutionalized Protestant sect that emerged from specific Pentecostal and Charismatic movements, sometimes referred to collectively as the Third Wave. These are revivals of a 1940s and 1950s movement named as a heresy by the Assemblies of God at that time. The New Apostolic Reformation can now be defined as a distinct movement with a unique theology. The central figure in the movement, C. Peter Wagner has organized the sect structure and defined its primary theology. He declared 2001 as the beginning of the new Apostolic Age. Wagner's extensive Apostolic network includes 500 Apostles from the U.S. and 42 other countries, each with their own network of churches and ministries, some with hundreds or even thousands. This network is interconnected with other Apostolic networks around the world who share media, conferences, schools, and training, and revivals.


The major tenets of the adherents of this sect include the belief that we are living in the final years before the return of Christ. However, they differ from other Fundamentalist Protestants in their belief that they must defeat evil on the Earth and purify the existing churches before Jesus can return. Furthermore, the building of this "Kingdom of God" is not to be delayed until after the Rapture, or to be built in a heavenly sphere. They believe that they have a mandate to build the Kingdom in the present and in the physical realm. In preparation for this task, this final generation is being "imparted" with special supernatural gifts of the Holy Spirit that will allow them to wage spiritual warfare and take control of the Earth from the devil and an array of demons. The mandate for building the Kingdom includes their current Seven Mountains strategy for the taking control over government, arts and entertainment, media, education, family, religion, and business.


This effort includes extensive mission work around the globe featuring their well developed spiritual warfare strategies which have been published in books and videos. The goal of these spiritual warfare tactics is to take cities and communities from the territorial demons that control theses geographic areas and that they believe prevent their efforts in planting their own Apostolic churches. Spiritual warfare around the globe includes the goal of taking control of cities through the expulsion of witches and demons, and the conversion of Roman Catholics, Jews, Muslims, and all other religions. They also believe that there must be a civil war in the Protestant church during this "Third Reformation" in order for them to purify that institution before Jesus can return. The movement has an extensive focus on youth, with several leaders specifically prophesying that those born after 1973 are to be the trainers and warriors for God's army.
 
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  • #69
Thankfully I am as ignorant about religious doctrine as Sarah is about the Bush doctrine... if not more so.

I do know that some of these religions are Vampiric in nature with all the blood drinking and flesh eating at an alter.

But there is this little known photo of their Pope at another, more passive type of alter...somewhere in Dublin...

here it is now...
 

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