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The discussion revolves around a young man's emotional turmoil following his high school graduation and prom night, where he experienced both joy and heartbreak. He felt a significant shift in his relationship with his girlfriend, who appeared distant and unengaged during the events, leading to feelings of confusion and hurt. Despite their previously strong connection, he noticed a lack of affection and communication, culminating in a confrontation that left both parties upset. The man grapples with feelings of guilt for expressing his frustration and worries about the future of their relationship. Ultimately, he longs for the spark they once shared and feels lost in the aftermath of a night that was meant to be special.
  • #91
I think the whole point here is that if you need to act unnatural in order to win or keep someone, it's not going to work in the long run and it's going to be a source of continual unhappiness.
 
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  • #92
See rule 1

No ones talking about acting unnatural, we are talking about not placing so much priority on one person.
 
  • #93
Evo said:
I think the whole point here is that if you need to act unnatural in order to win or keep someone, it's not going to work in the long run and it's going to be a source of continual unhappiness.

Correct, but sometimes it is hard to realize this when you feel like you are in love with a person, even if the relationship causes you to be unhappy. You are so happy and depressed at the same time.
 
  • #94
Omega_6 said:
Correct, but sometimes it is hard to realize this when you feel like you are in love with a person, even if the relationship causes you to be unhappy. You are so happy and depressed at the same time.
Absolutely agree. Love inundates your brain with a chemical soup making rational choices almost impossible. Why do you think I am all alone? :cry: But in hindsight, I'm brilliant. :frown:
 
  • #95
The question to be asked is how many of the women here have dated young women? That should show flat out their experience level.

This is no different that asking a layperson to design an automobile based on what they think is a good car. Havent we all seen Homers bubble mobile?

He should get off this forum and talk to his dad.
 
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  • #96
Evo said:
FrogPad said:
I think we are just arguing semantics here. I have a different definition then yours, which doesn't make it any less or more correct. If you think of (at least the beginning stages) a relationship as a game, then I believe you better your odds.
Playing "games" at ANY stage in a relationship is stupid, immature, irresponsible and fake.

It will result in a bad relationship based on "games". You obviously have never experienced a real relationship. Once you have, you will stop playing amateur games.

What a harsh comment to make. Have I made anything remotely similar to this? For one thing, you don't know me, you don't know who I've been with, who I've loved, or how many relationships I've been in.

There is nothing amateur about ones methodology in relationships if it does not impose upon the safety, feelings, or general well being of others. My understanding of the game (which women HATE to hear) is based upon my past relationships. For you to sum them up as amateur is a low blow.

I've been in love, a girl who meant everything to me, which lasted almost 2 1/2 years (hint: I'm young, so this means more), who I thought I would be with forever. I've had many flings. I've had many "friends". I've been with people that I hate. I've been with people who are ok. But, for you to trivialize my relationships as amateur, let alone insinuate my love as not being real, is an insult.
 
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  • #97
Evo said:
Absolutely agree. Love inundates your brain with a chemical soup making rational choices almost impossible. Why do you think I am all alone? :cry: But in hindsight, I'm brilliant. :frown:

You know, I have test scores that prove that this is true. One while in love (not good love), and one while being free.
 
  • #98
FrogPad said:
What a harsh comment to make. Have I made anything remotely similar to this? For one thing, you don't know me, you don't know who I've been with, who I've loved, or how many relationships I've been in.

There is nothing amateur about ones methodology in relationships if it does not impose upon the safety, feelings, or general well being of others. My understanding of the game (which women HATE to hear) is based upon my past relationships. For you to sum them up as amateur is a low blow.

I've been in love, a girl who meant everything to me, which lasted almost 2 1/2 years (hint: I'm young, so this means more), who I thought I would be with forever. I've had many flings. I've had many "friends". I've been with people that I hate. I've been with peole who are ok. But, for you to trivialize my relationships as amateur, let alone insinuate my love as not being real, is an insult.
Sorry you feel that that way, but to trivialize personal relationships and advise people to intentionally "play games" with another person's heart, to me, is a terrible thing.

I was only 16 when a boy that thought he was in love with me commited suicide because of me. Try dealing with that.
 
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  • #99
Wow. Are we going to get into a who got hurt more battle?

If you've read anything that I've posted, you would realize that it's not the typical Mens Health magazine style. You just hate the word "game".

Evo said:
...but to trivialize personal relationships...
Would you rather I state that personal relationships are magical?

People don't magically fall in love. People don't magically stay together.
 
  • #100
FrogPad said:
Wow. Are we going to get into a who got hurt more battle?
No, people need to realize how serious this can get.

If you've read anything that I've posted, you would realize that it's not the typical Mens Health magazine style. You just hate the word "game".
No, I think that being anything less than honest isn't right. If you are a possesive person, tyring to mask that temporarily in order to keep somone is wrong, it will eventually errupt, and possibly in a a very nasty way.

Would you rather I state that personal relationships are magical?

People don't magically fall in love. People don't magically stay together.
True, and if it's based on lies, it's that much worse.
 
  • #101
rocketboy said:
i have to bring our relationship back before I can propose anything like that I think. or maybe taht will bring us back? I wouldn't know.

how do you bring up a topic like that?
If you somehow patch it up with her, I'm saying, things will end the same way unless something is different. This could well be the thing she wanted to be different. Alot of young girls can't express this too directly and expect you to be sensitive to their less direct green lights. It seems to me that kissing you and saying you were the best was a kind of blanket green light. She was probably giving you permission to proceed, without discussion, unless or until she put up a red light. Her initial, verbal "I'm not ready," isn't something you can always expect to be overturned by a direct, verbal "I'm ready." The "I'm ready" comes in the form of favorable responses to escalations in physical intimacy on your part.
 
  • #102
I read most of everyone's replies and think everyone is overanalyzing. Hey, Rocketboy, the true for every relationship is that they most evolve, sometimes they just get caught on tecnicalities and die off. That's something you must understand. By the way, when i mean evolve is move to the next step (more commitment, and the final step being marriage).

Here's some general advice by me:

1) Don't take advice about relationships in your youth from girls (no matter their age)

2) Don't bother yourself about escalating relationship-wise. Men escalate physically (make her feel comfortable, create a connection, etc...). Therefore, you agree to get in a relationship only if you feel like it.

3) Be prepared for relationships to end (relationships go forward, and if they can't go on, they will die). You don't know when it's going to happen, but it will happen!. Frankly, what i do to ease the pain, it's to always keep some possible girls around and definately have fun with your buddies.

4) Always look your best (workout, dress with your own style, etc...). Focus on the big triangle (Wealth, Health and Happiness)

For your relationship:

Well, i still stand by 50-50. It means you've to let her chase. Anyway here what i will do in your case. I will go to her and tell her:

"You know I've been thinking recently about us, about our relationship, about what's to come. I know what we have is like a beautiful spark that keeps on shining. I know we should fight for this, fight to keep this special love we have for each other. Trust me, no matter what's to come, our love will survive." or something like these, be careful with what you say, you don't want to make it look, like you'll wait around for her forever.

After you say something along those lines in a comfortable setting (a surprise outing, perhaps?), break contact with her (let her think things throught, and then make a decision). She knows your stance. Well, Good luck.

zoobyshoe said:
If you somehow patch it up with her, I'm saying, things will end the same way unless something is different. This could well be the thing she wanted to be different. Alot of young girls can't express this too directly and expect you to be sensitive to their less direct green lights. It seems to me that kissing you and saying you were the best was a kind of blanket green light. She was probably giving you permission to proceed, without discussion, unless or until she put up a red light. Her initial, verbal "I'm not ready," isn't something you can always expect to be overturned by a direct, verbal "I'm ready." The "I'm ready" comes in the form of favorable responses to escalations in physical intimacy on your part.

I like zoobyshoe's thinking. That's why men's focus is escalating physically. You don't choose to stop, she does, and it doesn't mean you can't escalate later on (be seconds, minutes, hours or days). Don't wait too long. Also, remember never force her, just be smooth.

Here's something that works for me. It's called the two forward and one backwards. When you're "escalating", and she blocks you (grabs your hands, push them away, etc...) you go back to what she was letting you do, give it a couple minutes, and proceed not to where you were at, but the next place on the list.
 
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  • #103
Cyclovenom said:
I like zoobyshoe's thinking. That's why men's focus is escalating physically. You don't choose to stop, she does, and it doesn't mean you can't escalate later on (be seconds, minutes, hours or days). Don't wait too long. Also, remember never force her, just be smooth.
That's right. Stop lights are temporary unless she dumps you for reving your engine at one (which usually means she wasn't attracted). If she is sticking with you, then they'll change later.
 
  • #104
Genius first post!

Someone probably said it already... Perhaps she got seasick :smile:

It may seem like REAL :-p trouble at the mo' but that's life for you :biggrin:
 
  • #105
nsimmons said:
He should get off this forum and talk to his dad.
Now that is something with which I agree. One should (or should be able to) talk to one's parents on such matters.

As for "games", it is one thing to play games (in the context of pretense or manipulation), and it is quite another matter to be playful or romantic.

When I think of "playing games", I generally think in the context of which Moonbear and Evo have mentioned. I would never 'play' with someone's feelings. I have always been careful although not necessarily successful with regard to protecting another's feelings. That was largely because I was not sure of my feelings, or I simply couldn't provide the relationship that the woman (women) wanted.
 
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  • #106
The question to be asked is how many of the women here have dated young women? That should show flat out their experience level.
According to that, the 1 who dated more young women have more experience and well must be a better person to take advice from! Eh, but if they knew the stuff, they wouldn't have a history in dating.

That's going to be pretty funny. Men only can learn alittle about woman's emotions,... after being with them for a long time. But for sure women don't need to learn about themslves and other females, they already know themselves.
I guesss what he's saying works BUT only if you're going to date immature gals. And no being immature isn't all about age, period!:-p
 
  • #107
nsimmons said:
The question to be asked is how many of the women here have dated young women? That should show flat out their experience level.
Right, because women are just too stupid to know what it is we want for ourselves, we need the men to figure it all out for us and tell us what we want. :rolleyes: Do you realize how completely patronizing you're sounding?
 
  • #108
nsimmons said:
The question to be asked is how many of the women here have dated young women? That should show flat out their experience level.
No, the question is "How many women here are or have been young women?" I suspect probably all of them. :smile:

On the other hand, no one person can define or determine the needs of others, nor can one person stand as accurate example for a larger population. Everyone is individual with unique thoughts, feelings and needs.

The process of dating is a means to explore the thoughts, feeling and needs of the other person, rather than simply a means of entertainment, although it seems to me sometimes that some poeple think of others as objects for their own personal pleasure

In a relationship with another person, one must be honest, truthful, forthright and respectful. :smile: :cool:
 
  • #109
Astronuc said:
In a relationship with another person, one must be honest, truthful, forthright and respectful. :smile: :cool:
Would this include telling a spouse you have a crush on another woman, a woman online, say?
 
  • #110
zoobyshoe said:
Would this include telling a spouse you have a crush on another woman, a woman online, say?
Huh? Are you cheating on me both in real life and virtual world?:devil:
 
  • #111
zoobyshoe said:
Would this include telling a spouse you have a crush on another woman, a woman online, say?
Technically, yes.
 
  • #112
Lisa! said:
Huh? Are you cheating on me both in real life and virtual world?:devil:
I guess you waited too long to flash the green light. :biggrin:
 
  • #113
Tell her to read your original post; avoid talking with her on the phone for a while. Let time heal all wounds.


AND, use the GIRL TROUBLE thread next time :!)
 
  • #114
Math Is Hard said:
I guess you waited too long to flash the green light. :biggrin:
post deleted^^^
 
  • #115
What is this "members gone wild"? Sudently members are locking each others threads and now deleting other member's posts. tsk tsk, what is this world coming to? :biggrin:
 
  • #116
dav2008 said:
post deleted^^^

dav2008 deleted! :devil:
 
  • #117
Astronuc said:
Technically, yes.
"Technically" is a very useful word in many situations.

Off topic: when a boy scout earns his "wolf" badge, I wonder if you could then say he was a wolf in boyscout's clothing?

http://www.geocities.com/~pack215/wolf.html

Jeez, I must sound spaced out and babbling. I guess it's shock from the recent news that Lisa! and I are married in her mind. She never even PM'ed me!
 
  • #118
zoobyshoe said:
"Technically" is a very useful word in many situations.
What can I say? I'm an engineer. :biggrin:

zoobyshoe said:
Off topic: when a boy scout earns his "wolf" badge, I wonder if you could then say he was a wolf in boyscout's clothing?
I suppose one could.

zoobyshoe said:
Jeez, I must sound spaced out and babbling. I guess it's shock from the recent news that Lisa! and I are married in her mind. She never even PM'ed me!
Congratulations! Best wishes! :smile:
 
  • #119
Ok, I was at work all day which is why I haven't made a post all day.

I don't know where to start with all the replies I've had since my last post...

Cyclovenom said:
I like zoobyshoe's thinking. That's why men's focus is escalating physically. You don't choose to stop, she does, and it doesn't mean you can't escalate later on (be seconds, minutes, hours or days). Don't wait too long. Also, remember never force her, just be smooth.

I don't think I've seen a stop light yet. Back when we got to see each otehr more often and our spark was still bright, she would rarely stop me... and we went almost all the way. The only two times that I can remember her stopping me were when a) it was that time of the month and b) when she thought I was going to have sex with her and she said "not without a condom". I actually wasn't going to have sex with her at that point, but in hindsight I guess that was actually her basically telling me she's alright with it in the right situation.

My greatest fear with sex is her not being ready and thinking I'm just another sex-crazed hormone-driven teenager. That's why I never tried taking things to that level, and why her hints didn't get through to me... if they were hints in the first place.


In reply to all the "game" talk... I've never played mind games wiht any of my girlfriends and I'm not going to start now. In my opinion playing games does not maintain a relationship, even if it does get the girl running back to you. It is trickery not love, and I would rather be single then have a relationship based on mind games.


In reply to the talking to my dad... I thought about it, but I don't think I could. He told me before prom "make sure you are a gentlman and treat her well" and I told him "dad, come on you know I always do". It hurts that I didn't, and I don't think I could let my dad down like that. And I wasn't lying, I have never mistreated a girl in my life, and I didn't expect to that night. My parents raised me to be respectful and treat the girls/women I go out with like queens, and I always have.


I still don't know what to do. Concentrating on work was difficult today... I couldn't stop thinking about this, and the extremely hot girl working across the room from me who shares the same name as my gf didn't help, for some reason she reminded me of my gf.
 
  • #120
Rocket, did you try calling her again? Or emailing her? Or has she called or emailed you?
 

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