Real integral=area , complex integral= ?

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The discussion explores the nature of complex integrals in comparison to real integrals, particularly focusing on their interpretations and applications in mathematics. Participants examine whether complex integrals have geometric analogies similar to real integrals, and how they relate to concepts in complex analysis.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the geometric interpretation of complex integrals, questioning if they relate to area like real integrals do.
  • Another participant presents a formulation of complex integrals, relating them to work done by defined forces and suggesting that the real and imaginary parts represent different physical quantities.
  • A subsequent reply suggests that complex integrals do not have a direct analogy with geometric objects, indicating a difference from real integrals.
  • Another participant notes that complex integrals are typically associated with analytic functions and highlights the implications of complex derivatives, including the result that closed integrals of analytic functions yield a value of zero.
  • One participant argues that real integrals are not solely about area, providing examples of different interpretations based on the context of the integral, such as displacement and mass.
  • Another participant mentions that complex path integrals relate to winding numbers and emphasizes the importance of the Residue Theorem in evaluating certain real integrals through complex integration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between complex integrals and geometric interpretations. While some suggest that complex integrals lack a direct analogy to area, others propose that they serve different purposes in analysis, leading to an unresolved discussion on their interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of defining integrals across different contexts, noting that the interpretation of integrals can vary significantly depending on the functions and applications involved.

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Hi. If a real integral between 2 values gives the area under that curve between those 2 values what does a complex integral give between 2 values ?
 
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Well, we can write a complex integral as

## \int(u+iv)(dx+idy) = \int(udx-vdy)+i\int(vdx+udy)##.

Now define a couple of forces, ## \mathbf{F}_1 = (u,-v) ##, ## \mathbf{F}_2 = (v, u) ##, and an infinitesimal displacement ## d\mathbf{r} = (dx,dy) ##. Then the complex integral is the same as

## \int \mathbf{F}_1\cdot d\mathbf{r} + i \int \mathbf{F}_2\cdot d\mathbf{r} ##. That is, it's a complex number, the real part of which is the work done by ## \mathbf{F}_1 ## and the imaginary part of which is that done by ## \mathbf{F}_2 ##.
 
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Thanks. That makes sense. So the complex integral has no relation to any geometric objects such as area ? Or no analogy with the real integral case ?
 
Your use of complex integrals will usually be with line integrals of functions that are analytic (have complex derivatives). That is a whole new ball game. The existence of the complex derivative has surprising consequences. All closed integrals of a function that is analytic in the enclosed area has the value 0.
 
real integrals are not just area. integration is a process that gives a different answer for every input. the integral of height is area, the integral of velocity is displacement, the integral of density is mass, etc... read the elements of calculus by michael comenetz for a better explanation.

complex path integrals are more like winding numbers. i.e. read the residue theorem. and relate it to the integral of dtheta.
 
It is a path integration over the complex plane, as said before it play a central rule in complex analysis, is some sense is a generalization of classical Riemann integral. The principal application is with the Residue Theorem. It is possible to evaluate a lot of real definite integrals that are not obvious with classical methods of integration, passing through a complex integration ...
 

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