Real (non-ideal) op-amps - textbook query

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Homework Statement


Hello,

I'm studying real op-amps and looking the inverting amplifier circuit for a non-ideal op amp model. I'm confused as to where one of the equations from the assumption of zero output current came from, as I get a slightly different one.

I've attached the circuit diagram.


Homework Equations



1. From assumption of zero input for ideal, which requires Zin >> R1, R2and v1 (inverting input) = vd, and v2 (non-inverting input) = 0.

I get vd = [R1 / (R1 + (R2)]vin + βv0

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For the 2nd assumption of zero output impedance requires Z0 << R2

I get the equation: v0 = AOLvd - i0Z0

but the book says: v0 = - AOLvd - i0Z0
 

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discombobulated said:

Homework Statement


Hello,

I'm studying real op-amps and looking the inverting amplifier circuit for a non-ideal op amp model. I'm confused as to where one of the equations from the assumption of zero output current came from, as I get a slightly different one.

I've attached the circuit diagram.


Homework Equations



1. From assumption of zero input for ideal, which requires Zin >> R1, R2and v1 (inverting input) = vd, and v2 (non-inverting input) = 0.

I get vd = [R1 / (R1 + (R2)]vin + βv0

The Attempt at a Solution



For the 2nd assumption of zero output impedance requires Z0 << R2

I get the equation: v0 = AOLvd - i0Z0

but the book says: v0 = - AOLvd - i0Z0

I think it's just the sign of the input voltage. Remember that the - terminal is at the top, and the + terminal is at the bottom, as drawn. Which way is the Vd defined?

Also, there is a typo in your 2nd sentence. Are you referring to input current or output impedance when you said "assumption of zero output current"?