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The discussion revolves around a complex volume calculation involving a cylinder and a circle, with participants seeking guidance on how to approach the problem without receiving direct answers.

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  • Participants suggest various methods for calculating the volume, including integration and geometric reasoning. Some explore the relationship between the area of a rectangle formed by intersecting a cylinder with a horizontal plane and the volume of the cylinder. Others consider using trigonometry and sector area formulas as alternative approaches.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of the problem, including the need to consider different cases based on the height relative to the center of the circle. There are mentions of constraints related to the use of integration and the challenges of applying certain mathematical concepts.

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Really hard Volume Question. URGENT!

Can someone help me with this question? I don't know where to begin. I don't want the answers, just hints in the right direction

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*edit* can a mod please fix the topic title? It's supposed to read 'Really hard Volume Question. URGENT!' << Done. >>

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I can suggest:
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/1570/49965064rf9.jpg And Volume = area*length
 
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Call z the axis which h belongs to. You have to find an expression for the area of the rectangle obtained by intersecting the cylinder with an horizontal plane as a function of z and integrate this area from 0 to h.
 


The area of the disc (what's inside the circle) from -r to h, where h is between -r and r can be figured out by doing half a circle at a time. The function is sqrt (r^2-x^2). Since a disc is symmetrical just find the area above the x-axis and multiply by 2. So the fun part here is finding out what the integral is.
 


think simple ...
I think it can be solved without integration using bunch of trigonometry and sector, triangle area formulas
 


Sure area 2 is a fraction of pi r^2. I bet the fraction formula as a function of h is not simple. Area 1 is + when h is above the center of the circle and - when h is below the center. I think I'll stick with my integral since I've already solve a related problem: The probability of intersection between a tossed square and a target disc.
 


This kind of integral is simple...
What you actually need is the length of the segment obtained by intersecting the circle [tex]x^2 + z^2 = R^2 [\tex] with a straight line z = const. And this is given by <br /> <br /> [tex] b(z) = 2 \sqrt{R^2 - z^2}<br /> [\tex] <br /> <br /> Thus, let L be the height of the cylinder, the area of the rectangle is given by<br /> <br /> [tex] A(z) = L b(z) = L 2 \sqrt{R^2 - z^2}<br /> [\tex] <br /> <br /> And then the volume of the water<br /> <br /> [tex] V(h) = \int_{-R}^{h} A(z) dz<br /> [\tex][/tex][/tex][/tex][/tex]
 


I don't know why but latex command doesn't work...
 


hokie1 said:
Sure area 2 is a fraction of pi r^2. I bet the fraction formula as a function of h is not simple. Area 1 is + when h is above the center of the circle and - when h is below the center..

I see.
I failed to consider the other case.
 
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(1/2(pi r^2) + 1/2(pi (r-h)^2 ) * l

would that work?
 

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