Really want to study formal math with proofs

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The discussion revolves around recommendations for studying formal mathematics, particularly focusing on books that include proofs. Participants express interest in various sub-disciplines of mathematics, including calculus and geometry, and seek guidance on foundational knowledge and resources for self-study.

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  • One participant inquires about good books for studying formal mathematics with proofs.
  • Another participant asks for clarification on the level of study and specific sub-disciplines of interest.
  • Recommendations include "Calculus Concepts and Contexts" by James Stewart and "Apostol" for proof-based calculus.
  • Some participants express a desire to build a comprehensive library of mathematical knowledge for personal satisfaction, including advanced topics like tensors.
  • There is a discussion about the ratio of proofs to exercises in different textbooks, with some participants favoring Apostol for its rigorous approach.
  • Suggestions for self-teaching resources include Schaum's outlines, which provide worked examples but fewer proofs.
  • Advice on mastering calculus includes working through numerous problems and understanding foundational concepts thoroughly.
  • One participant mentions using "Solow's How to Read and Do Proofs" to aid in learning how to write proofs.

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Participants express various preferences for different textbooks and approaches to studying mathematics, indicating that there is no consensus on a single best resource. The discussion remains open-ended with multiple viewpoints on effective study methods and materials.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the importance of foundational knowledge in algebra and trigonometry before advancing to calculus. There are also mentions of specific challenges in learning proofs and the varying styles of different textbooks.

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I was wondering i really want to study formal math with proofs etc. Are there any good books out there?
 
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What level?

- Warren
 
Well, knowing what sub-discipline of math you're interested in would help ( I wouldn't be able to answer anyway, but I am sure that info will be needed :P)

Try the science book reviews at the top of this forum (Academic Advice.) There should be some good stuff there, I will look for a good thread for you as I think I remember one.
 
I can personally recommend Calculus Concepts and Contexts by James Stewart for introductory calc. Although I think Apostle is better for proof based Calculus.
 
Yah I really like Math.. I am not just sure where to start. I really want to get down to the roots. Keep in mind I will be starting Calc next Semester.
 
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Well I think I would be able to help you there. How comfortable are you with algebra? Do you know all your exponent laws real good? Binomial theorem, trigonometry, stuff like that.
 
Any good calc book (Apostol is the best, IMO) will have many, many proofs you can mull over.

- Warren
 
Oh man yah I defiantely got Algebra down, but still enjoy it. Trig, Binomial, yup know them too. Easy stuff.
 
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Try Apostol then, maybe Chroot knows the title of the textbook but I have a feeling its something like One-Variable Calculus with an introduction to Linear Algebra.

I liked James Stewart since it was more applied then Apostol, was geared more so to scientists/engineers than mathematicians. But if you like the proofs/rigorous type stuff, I think Apostol is the way to go.
 
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chroot said:
Any good calc book (Apostol is the best, IMO) will have many, many proofs you can mull over.

- Warren

Does Apostol have proofs, or does he just ask you to write them?

For example, Spivak asks you to write many many proofs, yet lacks the ability to have some of this one. The ratio of examples to exersices is like 1:50.
 
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I can pull out my copy and check the 'ratio,' but I believe it has more proofs than do many other texts.

- Warren
 
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Yah I really want to build up a good library of knowledge of math not just for school, but just for pure satisfaction. I would like to in the long run look at tensors, etc.-I will probably end up studing math most my life for leisure.
 
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The Schaum's outlines might be right up your alley, too, if you intend to do a lot of self-teaching. They're cheap and have hundreds of worked examples. They don't have many proofs, but they might complement a thorough textbook nicely for you.

- Warren
 
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Cool, what about advanced Geometies like: Non-Euclid Geometries/hyper geometries and proofs of those?
 
  • #16
For Calculus use Louis Leithold's TC 7
 
  • #17
Any advice on mastering Calc 1-3?
Just work tons of examples?
 
  • #18
Do tons of problems and try to understand everything. I found that if I skipped over something that didn't make sense than later down the road I would find myself not knowing to how to solve stuff. As you probably know, you can't read a math text like a social text, can't skip stuff, it all builds on each preceding topic.

Do every single problem in the book if you want to master it, its the only way.
 
  • #19
I would also look at a book on proofs. (I used Solow's How to Read and do proofs.) I was only familiar with two column proofs that I did in geometry, so I needed a little help writing proofs. You might not need that though. :)
 
  • #20
Which one is better: Rea Problem Solver for Calculus? Or Schuman Outline to Calculus?
 

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