Reducing Gaussian Noise in Antenna Impedance Measurements

  • Context: Graduate 
  • Thread starter Thread starter uzi kiko
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Gaussian Noise
Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around methods for extracting the 'pure' impedance value from noisy measurements of an operating antenna's impedance over time. Participants explore different approaches to model and reduce Gaussian noise in the measurements, considering both theoretical and practical aspects of the problem.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a simple model Y = X + Z, where Y is the output, X is the 'pure' impedance value, and Z is the noise, and seeks a less wasteful method than averaging multiple samples to extract X.
  • Another participant suggests using a Bayesian approach that incorporates prior information to improve the extraction of X.
  • A different participant requests additional details about the experimental setup, including diagrams and circuit schematics, and speculates that the measurement circuit may contribute significantly to the observed noise, suggesting that attention to circuit details could help reduce noise.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no clear consensus among participants regarding the best method to extract the 'pure' impedance value, with multiple approaches being proposed and discussed. The discussion remains unresolved as participants explore different perspectives and suggestions.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully defined the assumptions underlying their models, such as the nature of the Gaussian noise or the specific characteristics of the measurement circuit. There are also unresolved questions regarding the experimental conditions, such as whether measurements are taken in an anechoic chamber or a shielded room.

uzi kiko
Messages
22
Reaction score
3
Hi

I am measuring the impedance of an operating antenna over time.
Assuming the environment is not changing and the antenna temperature remain constant (No thermal drift) I am receiving the impedance value and additional noise that I want to model as Gaussian noise.
So my simple model is:
Y = X + Z. Where Y is the output, X is the 'pure' impedance value and Z is the noise.
My question is what is the best way to extract X.

Obviously I can sample many samples and find the average value, but I am looking for a less wasteful way.

Thanks a lot
Mosh
 
Physics news on Phys.org
You could use a Bayesian approach where you account for whatever prior information you have.
 
uzi kiko said:
Hi

I am measuring the impedance of an operating antenna over time.
Assuming the environment is not changing and the antenna temperature remain constant (No thermal drift) I am receiving the impedance value and additional noise that I want to model as Gaussian noise.
So my simple model is:
Y = X + Z. Where Y is the output, X is the 'pure' impedance value and Z is the noise.
My question is what is the best way to extract X.

Obviously I can sample many samples and find the average value, but I am looking for a less wasteful way.

Thanks a lot
Mosh
Can you post diagrams of your setup and the schematic of the circuit you are using to monitor its impedance? Are you doing this in an anechoic chamber or shielded room? I'm guessing most of the noise you are seeing is coming from your measurement circuit, and you may be able to reduce the noise of that circuit with some attention to details...
 
Thanks a lot.
Dale said:
You could use a Bayesian approach where you account for whatever prior information you have.

Thanks. This is exactly the answer I looked for.
 
berkeman said:
Can you post diagrams of your setup and the schematic of the circuit you are using to monitor its impedance? Are you doing this in an anechoic chamber or shielded room? I'm guessing most of the noise you are seeing is coming from your measurement circuit, and you may be able to reduce the noise of that circuit with some attention to details...
Thanks a lot on your answer.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 0 ·
Replies
0
Views
2K
  • · Replies 0 ·
Replies
0
Views
900
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
3K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
3K
  • · Replies 6 ·
Replies
6
Views
3K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K