Reducing radius of rotating object

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the effects of changing body position on the rotational speed of an object in outer space, particularly in the context of a person spinning with arms extended versus arms pulled in. The conversation touches on concepts of angular momentum, rotational inertia, and the influence of external forces like air resistance.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant argues that moving arms to the sides in outer space would not change the way one is moving, suggesting that motion remains constant without external forces.
  • Another participant counters that while the center of mass motion remains unchanged, pulling in arms can increase rotational speed by reducing rotational inertia, referencing the behavior of ice skaters.
  • A later reply mentions that the phenomenon of increased rotational speed due to reduced inertia is also observed in astrophysical contexts, such as neutron stars and black holes.
  • There is confusion expressed about the role of air resistance in the context of ice skaters and its relevance to the discussion of motion in space.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the impact of body position on rotational speed in space, with some agreeing that pulling in arms can increase rotational speed while others remain uncertain about the implications of this in a vacuum.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the concepts of angular momentum and rotational inertia without fully resolving the implications of these principles in the absence of external forces.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in physics, particularly those exploring concepts of motion, rotational dynamics, and the effects of inertia in different environments.

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i have a very basic question.
me and my dad were arguing.
he was saying that if you were spinning in outer space, (no gravity air ...) with your arms opened up, and then you move them to your sides you would spin faster.
i was saying that almost nothing you could do would change the way you were moving in outer space
 
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listen to your father

.. better still, ask that he take you to a park swing, that you experience the physics for yourself. :smile: (This will give a very strong feel for how much air resistance is related.)
 
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ok. but i was confused because i thought that in outer space with no air to act on you, you wouldn't be able to alter rotating speed. linear speed change i understand but i am confused about the rotating speed. oh whatever i will just agree
 
Lemonio said:
i was saying that almost nothing you could do would change the way you were moving in outer space
Your Dad is correct. While no amount of arm waving will change the motion of your center of mass--it will keep moving in a straight line at constant speed--you can speed up your rotational rate by pulling in your arms. While you can't change your angular momentum (just like you can't change your linear momentum), you can change your rotational inertia by moving your arms in or out. Pulling your arms in reduces your rotational inertia, which increases your rotational speed.

Note that this is the same effect that you see when ice skaters spin faster by pulling their arms in.
 
now i think i understand, but i thought that ice skaters had to do with air recistance, i guess it's not important
 
It happens in space quite frequently, Lemonio. That's why neutron stars and black holes rotate so much faster than they did as normal stars.
 

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