Reflection: instantaneous or not?

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The discussion centers on the nature of light reflection when it encounters a mirror, specifically whether the reflection occurs instantaneously or involves a brief absorption and re-emission process. The conversation explores both theoretical and conceptual aspects of light behavior in mirrors.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that in a "first surface" mirror, there is no delay in reflection, while in a "second surface" mirror, light travels through glass, reflecting off the backside, which introduces a delay due to the slower speed of light in glass.
  • One participant questions whether light is absorbed and re-emitted at the backside silvering of a mirror.
  • Another viewpoint posits that in the case of a mirror, photons behave as waves and reflect without absorption, contrasting this with the absorption and re-emission process that occurs with painted surfaces.
  • Some participants assert that the interference at the surface of the mirror occurs simultaneously for incident and reflected waves, implying instantaneous reflection.
  • Others argue that while classical electromagnetic wave theory suggests zero delay, a more detailed examination reveals that the interaction with free electrons involves a time-dependent process of emission, complicating the notion of instantaneous reflection.
  • There is mention of quantum electrodynamics, where an incoming photon is absorbed by an electron, which then emits a photon, suggesting that this process takes a small amount of time.
  • One participant notes that a reflected photon does not interact with just a single electron, especially when considering the wavelength of light compared to molecular spacing.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the nature of light reflection, with no consensus reached on whether the process is instantaneous or involves a delay due to absorption and re-emission.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about the types of mirrors and the physical mechanisms involved in light reflection, which may influence the interpretations of instantaneous versus delayed reflection.

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when light encounters a mirror, is it instantly reflected, or is it absorbed very briefly and then emitted?
 
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Presumably, you don't care about the thickness of glass in most mirrors. Ideally, you're talking about a mirror whose reflective surface is at the front, not the back.
 
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As DaveC426913 says, if it is a "first surface" mirror then there is no delay whatsoever.

The ordinary bathroom mirror is a "second surface" mirror. A pulse of light first passes through the thickness of the glass, gets reflected at the backside silvering, then travels out through the glass again. This round trip through glass would "delay" the pulse because the light actually travels slightly slower through glass than it does through air.
 
'Gets reflected at the backside silvering'

I interpret the question in the mechanism in this part of the process.
Is the light absorbed and re emitted in the backside silvering ?
 
I believe in the case of a mirror, the photon acts as a wave and is simply reflected. Very different from say a wall painted green. There the photon is absorbed, an electron is bumped out of place, another electron falls in its place and a photon is shot back out, often in a different random direction. The green paint has the property that most of the photons coming out are a specific wavelength that looks green to us due to the molecular structure of the paint.
 
elegysix said:
when light encounters a mirror, is it instantly reflected, or is it absorbed very briefly and then emitted?
The simple answer is: It is instantly reflected, because the interference at the surface between the incident and reflected wave takes place at the same time for each.
 
clem said:
The simple answer is: It is instantly reflected, because the interference at the surface between the incident and reflected wave takes place at the same time for each.

So you are defining the process where the alternating electric field vector of the incident
light wave that causes the free conduction electrons in the silver mirror to oscillate , and
then radiate the reflected wave , instantaneous ?
 
It has nothing to do with the mechanism,
"because the interference at the surface between the incident and reflected wave [must take] place at the same time for each.
 
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When viewed as a classical electromagnetic wave reflecting from a surface, the delay is zero. Looking at it in more detail, you can think of it as a classical wave striking a bunch of free electrons and there is no "surface". The electrons are accelerated and decelerated by the field and so they emit an electromagnetic wave of their own, and this process takes time. As you go further into the body of the reflector, the wave is shielded by these electrons and after a certain small distance, the impinging wave is practically absent. The wave from an oscillating electron will interfere with the waves from other electrons, and only very near an angle of reflection equal to the angle of incidence will their waves interfere constructively, as long as the dimensions of the reflector are large compared to the wavelength of the incoming radiation. The full answer is given in quantum electrodynamics, where an incoming photon is absorbed by an electron, which then emits a photon in a more or less random direction. The incoming photon rarely gets very far into the material, but the absorption and emission process take a small amount of time. Again, only very near an angle of reflection equal to the angle of incidence will the wave function of the photons interfere constructively, as long as the dimensions of the reflector are large compared to the wavelength of the incoming radiation.
 
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If the wavelength is long compared to the molecular spacing (as for light), a reflected photon does not interact with only a single electron.
 

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