Refractive Index of Gold at Microwave Frequencies

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the refractive index of pure gold at microwave frequencies, specifically around 2.4 GHz, as it relates to the behavior of electromagnetic fields in nano/microscale particles and thin films. Participants explore the implications of refractive index in the context of material properties and measurement challenges.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the refractive index of gold at microwave frequencies, indicating a specific interest in its application to household microwave ovens.
  • Another participant notes that gold, being a metal, is generally a good reflector and questions the necessity of knowing the refractive index, suggesting that microwaves may not travel within gold.
  • A participant clarifies that they are working with nano/microscale particles or thin films and seeks the refractive index to understand the electromagnetic field around various materials at different wavelengths.
  • There is a suggestion to measure the conductivity of bulk gold or to extrapolate from data at optical frequencies, although this is met with skepticism regarding the validity of extrapolation due to the significant frequency difference.
  • A participant expresses concern about the limitations of extrapolating data from the visible spectrum to microwave frequencies, emphasizing the lack of actual data to support such an approach.
  • A clarification is made regarding the frequency of microwave ovens, correcting a previous statement about the frequency of interest.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the refractive index of gold at microwave frequencies, and multiple viewpoints regarding measurement methods and the relevance of refractive index remain present.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the applicability of extrapolating optical frequency data to microwave frequencies, highlighting potential limitations in measurement techniques and the non-linear nature of refractive index across different frequency ranges.

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Hi, can anyone help me out with the refractive index of pure gold at microwave freguencies? (Specifically something close to 2.4 GHz, or your average household microwave oven)

Much obliged!
 
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As it is a metal, any large piece will be a good reflector. For small parts, it depends on the geometry of the piece. In any way, why do you need the refractive index? Do you expect microwaves traveling within the gold?
 
First off, I am working with either nano/microscale particles or very thin films. I want to know the refractive index because I am looking at the electromagnetic field surrounding various materials at different wavelengths.
 
Maybe you could measureconductivity of bulk gold ? Or extrapolate from optical frequency data ?
 
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Thank you for your suggestions, Alkim. Unfortunately, I was hoping to avoid measuring, as we do not have much excess material to make a bulk measurement. As for extrapolating, I thought about this. However, because microwaves are many magnitudes lower in frequency than the visible spectrum and the fact that a refractive index plot is not necessarily linear over that distance, I would be hesitant to accept an extrapolation as being a reasonably close approximation without having any actual data to corroborate.
 
BTW, microwave ovens operate at 1/10 your frequency.
 
marcusl said:
BTW, microwave ovens operate at 1/10 your frequency.

Yes, thank you marcus. This was a typo and should have been 2.4 GHz.
 

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