Relative extrema of absolute functions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion focuses on finding the relative extrema of the function f(x) = |3x - x^2|. Participants explore the implications of the absolute value on critical points and the identification of relative extrema, involving calculus and sign analysis.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that finding critical points typically involves solving f'(x) = 0, leading to x = 3/2, but expresses confusion about additional extrema due to the absolute value.
  • Another suggests splitting the function into two parts without absolute value to find critical points and mentions the need to consider the point where the two parts meet.
  • A participant provides a piecewise definition of the function, indicating different expressions for different intervals of x.
  • Another participant corrects a previous statement about critical points, emphasizing that they occur where the derivative is zero or does not exist, specifically at points where f(x) = 0.
  • It is proposed that the points where the derivative does not exist (x = 0 and x = 3) are local minima due to the nature of the absolute value function.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the identification of critical points and the nature of relative extrema, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the behavior of the function at the points where it equals zero and the implications of the absolute value on the critical points.

John O' Meara
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Find the relative extrema of f(x)=|3x-x^2|.
Normally you solve f'(x)=0 to find the critical points, in that case we have 3-2x=0 => x=3/2. However there are two other relative extrema that I cannot find by calculus as the absolute nature of f(x) has confused me. Indeed doing a sign analysis on the points x=0 and 3; shows that these points are not extrema points! I am studing on my own, Please help, Thanks.
 
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Split the function into two parts, where neither have absolute value bars,using the definition of absolute value.

Then find the critical points of each, and adjoin the point where the two meet (probably another relative extremum).
 
Ok,
|x| = x if x > 0, -x if x < 0. |3x-x^2|= 3x-x^2 if x>3, I do not know the rest?
 
I think I have it now, |3x-x^2|= (x-3)^2 if x>3, 3x-x^2 if 0< x <3, -x^2 if x<0
 
John O' Meara said:
Find the relative extrema of f(x)=|3x-x^2|.
Normally you solve f'(x)=0 to find the critical points
Your first statement is incorrect. "Critical points" are points where the derivative is 0 or where the derivative does not exist.

, in that case we have 3-2x=0 => x=3/2. However there are two other relative extrema that I cannot find by calculus as the absolute nature of f(x) has confused me. Indeed doing a sign analysis on the points x=0 and 3; shows that these points are not extrema points! I am studing on my own, Please help, Thanks.

The derivative does not exist where f(x)= 0. That is, at x=0 or at x= 3. Since the value of f is 0 there and the absolute value cannot be negative, they are obviously local minima.
 

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