Relative Time vs. Universal Time: Bible Realizes Role of Observer in Universe

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The discussion centers on the interpretation of the universe's age, contrasting the belief that it is less than 6,000 years old with scientific estimates of billions of years. It emphasizes the distinction between universal time and relative time, arguing that the Bible's account in Genesis reflects a cosmic perspective rather than an Earth-centric one. The argument posits that the six days of creation can be understood as longer periods when viewed from a universal standpoint, as the Jewish Calendar begins with Adam, marking the start of human perception of time. The conversation also touches on the relationship between time, perception, and the physical universe, suggesting that human observers influence the understanding of time. Some participants express skepticism about the arithmetic presented, while others highlight the notion that our perception of time is inherently temporal, leading to a deeper philosophical discussion about the nature of time itself. The thread concludes with a reminder that religious discussions are not permitted in certain forums.
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The universe is less than 6,000 years old. It's a case of universal time vs. relative time. The universe is billions of years old based on Earth based time. To measure the age of the universe, we look back in time from our perspective of time. The Bible looks forward in time from the Creation, encompassing the entire universe.

This is why the Jewish Calendar starts with Adam. Thousands of years ago they realized that the six days in Genesis was longer periods of time from our perspective. The Bible says:

Remember the days of old(six days), consider the years of each generation(Adam) Deuteronomy 32:7

The Bible realizes the role the observer plays in the universe. There were no human observers before Adam, so Genesis 1 goes by the cosmic time of the universe relative to Earth based time before an observer was Created on earth.

Where the mix up comes into play is when you try to age the Earth according to our perception of time, which is temporal. In Genesis the Bible is talking about universal time of the whole universe.

Just think, the writer of Genesis recognized that Earth based time didn't start until Adam. This is astounding, so what he did was write the first chapter of Genesis from the perspective of the entire universe. The Earth is young relative to the entire universe. The writer of Genesis knew this because he was led by the Spirit.

It's a million million to one ratio between the Earth and cosmic time. This is based on a million millionfold stretching of waves of radiation since the physical universe began. So 120 million years in the time we experience would be one hour in cosmic time. The kicker is, a million million divided by 15 billion is six days!

It's good to see science is starting to catch up to the Bible.

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haroldjrbw said:
Where the mix up comes into play is when you try to age the Earth according to our perception of time, which is temporal.

What a novel concept. I never realized that our perception of time is temporal. Imagine such a ridiculous idea.

Just think, the writer of Genesis recognized that Earth based time didn't start until Adam. This is astounding,

I certainly can't argue with this.

The kicker is, a million million divided by 15 billion is six days!

I don't know what kind of arithmetic you are using to come to such a result, but I am sure that it is as wonderous as the other things that you have been saying.

I guess that you must be filled with spirits too.
 
Prometheus said:
What a novel concept. I never realized that our perception of time is temporal. Imagine such a ridiculous idea.



I certainly can't argue with this.



I don't know what kind of arithmetic you are using to come to such a result, but I am sure that it is as wonderous as the other things that you have been saying.

I guess that you must be filled with spirits too.
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Time is temporal in the physical because of our perception of time. People always are trying to do things within a certain time, but we are in the eternal now. Time moving forward is our perception of time in the physical. This is the simultaneus nature of time. Just hit a letter on your keyboard, you are watching a past-future event take place from the eternal now. Time is a physical property, it depends on things like location, gravity and velocity. Those things are relative to the way we percieve time. I believe our true state is timeless, and we will return to our original state through Christ.

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