Relativistic effects in non-vacuous media

[freemind]

Hello,

I've been pondering the implications of SR in media other than pure vacuum (yes, yes I know such a thing doesn't exist :). More specifically relating to the following thought experiment. If we have a prism of length L in the path of a light source, with a wall @ the other end (the prism is btwn the source and the wall), and if the prism is stationary, then the light will take a certain amount of time t_s to traverse the distance to the wall (relative to an external observer for whom the source and wall are stationary). Obviously, this time will depend on how much time the light spends inside the prism. Now consider the prism to be moving @ a speed v_0 toward the wall. The time taken by the light to traverse the same distance shall be t_1 (again, with respect to the aforementioned FoR). Now, my question is whether t_1 < t_0 or if t_0 < t_1. I'm thinking t_1 > t_0 because the light spends more time in the moving media, hence, the media is effectively "lengthened" because of its speed ("lengthened" only for v << c of course; I'm well aware of prism length contraction @ relativistic speeds). Is my reasoning flawed?

Thanks

 

[pervect]

Hello,

I've been pondering the implications of SR in media other than pure vacuum (yes, yes I know such a thing doesn't exist :).

A more direct approach is this

We know that the speed of light in a media with an index of refraction n is c/n

We know that relativistic velocities add by the relativistic velocity addition formula.

v = v1+v2 / (1 + v1 v2 / c^2)

Therfore, we can calculate the speed of light in a moving media

When the media is moving in the same direction as the light, we get

vtot = (v + c/n) / (1 + v/(c*n))

When the media is moving in the opposite direction we get

vtot = (v - c/n) / (1 - v/(c*n))

I haven't worked out the times from the velocities to answer the original question, though.

 

[freemind]

After spending an hour trying to figure out the hyperphysics derivation of the velocity addition formula (hey, it ain't exactly intuitive you know ), and spending 5 min making the connection to your direct approach, I finally understand it. Thank you.

 

[pervect]

After spending an hour trying to figure out the hyperphysics derivation of the velocity addition formula (hey, it ain't exactly intuitive you know ), and spending 5 min making the connection to your direct approach, I finally understand it. Thank you.

Glad you figured it out - on rereading it my post, I see that my explanation was defintely on the terse side, but it sounds like you got the idea. When you know the speed of light in one frame (the rest frame of the media), you can figure it out in all frames via some very standard formulas.