Relativity in everyday use

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Dear PF Forum,
I'd like to have some opinions here.
A friend of mine says, "From Newton , we got car, airplane, rocket, etc. From Einstein, we got sci fi movies".
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Okayy, forget him :smile:
Now, what I want to know is, what relativity has direct impact in our everyday life?
There are two things that I know
1. GPS. Is GPS really depend on relativity? I heard that the clock synchronization is not trivia.
2. Nuclear energy.
Are there anything else?
Air conditioner?
Television?
Electric shaver?
Just any everyday devices, not just
"Oh, you see that rocket. Its clock is slowing down by half of our clock, so it rocket must have travelled at 0.866c"

Not that I like Isaac more then Albert.
I know that Einstein got noble price not by relativity but by photoelectric. I'm not asking what photoelectric has to do with our everyday life, but what relativity especially has got to do with our everyday life? (And by that I don't mean Special Relativity ).
 

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Everything related to electromagnetism, including optics, is ruled by Maxwell's equations and thus is relativistic. It's the paradigmatic example for a relativistic field theory.
 
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Dear PF Forum,
I'd like to have some opinions here.
A friend of mine says, "From Newton , we got car, airplane, rocket, etc. From Einstein, we got sci fi movies".
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Okayy, forget him :smile:
Still worth noting that human carrying car, airplane, rocket were introduced much longer after Newton, than has passed now since Einstein.
 
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Still worth noting that human carrying car, airplane, rocket were introduced much longer after Newton, than has passed now since Einstein.
Okayyy,
Ford, 1908?
Kittyhawk, 1903.
V2, 1940s, if we can call V2 a rocket, which it was although Goddard had preceded it.
Relativity, 1905
GR, 1915.
Everything related to electromagnetism, including optics, is ruled by Maxwell's equations and thus is relativistic. It's the paradigmatic example for a relativistic field theory.
Yeah, I've watched Derek Muller in Youtube, he explains that magnetism in a wire is caused by relativity, because there are more electron in one side of the wire, because of length contraction? Even if I haven't fully understood what he taught.
Thanks.
 
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Both relativities are required in GPS systems. Corrections are made due to relative satellite speed (special relativity) and due to gravitational effects (general relativity).
 
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Both relativities are required in GPS systems. Corrections are made due to relative satellite speed (special relativity) and due to gravitational effects (general relativity).
Yes, I have read that. But is the correction significantly necessary?
 
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Yes, I have read that. But is the correction significantly necessary?
It certainly is if you want to choose which restroom stall to hit with your ICBM or measure continental drift to centimeter accuracy. How far off would you be for each correction I don't know off hand. For GR the clock rate correction has to be on the order of one part in ##10^6## which is the rough order of magnitude of the metric deviation at sea level. That sounds significant to me.
 
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It certainly is if you want to choose which restroom stall to hit with your ICBM or measure continental drift to centimeter accuracy. How far off would you be for each correction I don't know off hand. For GR the clock rate correction has to be on the order of one part in ##10^6## which is the rough order of magnitude of the metric deviation at sea level. That sounds significant to me.
Centimeter? I thought it would be kilometers accuracy that is corrected by the clock synchronization.
But centimeter is good for continental drift.
Hell, you can miss 100 meters from ground zero cafe with a 15 kilo ton bomb in still destroyed capitol hill.
[Edit: And it can still destroy Capitol Hill]
 
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Centimeter? I thought it would be kilometers accuracy that is corrected by the clock synchronization.
But centimeter is good for continental drift.
Hell, you can miss 100 meters from ground zero cafe with a 15 kilo ton bomb in still destroyed capitol hill.
Centimeter accuracy takes special antennas and likely GPS hardware. One sees these 12"ish diameter half dome things on tripods along the side of the freeways out here in CA. They are real concerned with ground movement because the state is so faulty.

[Mentor's note: A bit of entertaining but off-topic political snark has been removed from this post]
 
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Lasers are based on stimulated emission, first described by Einstein (1905?).
 
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Lasers are based on stimulated emission, first described by Einstein (1905?).
This was based on Einsein's work as a quantum pioneer, very little to do with relativity (yes, EM radiation is involved, but the distinctive feature is quantum. Einstein remained a significant contributor to quantum theory (despite misgivings about the way it was formulated) till about 1935.
 
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Well, I'd like to grouse a bit about the original observations.

While we can certainly understand cars, airplanes, etc from Newtonian point of view, it doesn't "give them to us". And there are plenty of relativistic phenomenon that are easily observable with significant effects that are not science fiction - man made (such as various particle accelerators) and otherwise. And that's not counting the sensitivity of modern instruments, which can detect relativistic effects in everyday motion - it's not really exotic anymore.

As far as practical applications of relativity, our standard of distance, the meter, is and has been based on relativity for some time now. For details, just look at the SI definition of the meter.

End grousing, it's probably pointless...
 
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Yes @pervect
I just want to tell it to his face, but it seemed that I can't recall anything other than GPS then. And as I typed this thread something just came up on my mind. "Nuclear power".
And as @A.T. and you say. Rocket and car were introduced 200 years after gravity.
Btw, it's only 35 years from SR (1905) to Manhattan Project (1940) and 40 years to Little Boy (1945).
 
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Well Stephanus whole areas of technology are owed to Einstein.

Are there anything else?
Air conditioner?
One such item IS the Air Conditioner, so to speak. Einstein invented a refrigerator.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein_refrigerator

He also won his Noble prize for his explanation of the photovoltaic effect (solar cells).
 

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