Relativity vs Quantum Mechanics: Understanding the Difference

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The discussion centers on the relationship between Quantum Mechanics (QM) and General Relativity (GR), exploring why these two theories are perceived to be incompatible and the conditions under which they may work together. The scope includes theoretical considerations and the challenges of unifying these fundamental frameworks in physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that QM and GR do not mix well primarily due to their differing approaches, with QM providing probabilities and GR offering more definitive answers.
  • Others argue that the incompatibility is specifically between quantum mechanics and general relativity, while special relativistic quantum mechanics is a coherent field.
  • It is noted that attempts to combine QM and GR, such as string theory and loop quantum gravity, represent new theories that have unresolved components.
  • A later reply challenges the notion that QM and GR cannot be compatible, suggesting they work together at low energies and that the incompatibility arises at high energy scales where new physics is required.
  • Participants mention that calculations in low energy quantum gravity can be performed using quantum field theory (QFT) and reference specific calculations related to graviton propagators and inflationary cosmology.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the compatibility of QM and GR, with some asserting that they can work together under certain conditions, while others maintain that a coherent unification has not yet been achieved. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent and nature of their compatibility.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about energy scales and the definitions of compatibility between the theories. The discussion also highlights unresolved mathematical aspects related to high energy physics.

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From my understanding and from what I have read Quantum Mechanics and Relativity do not mix well. I understand that Quantum mechanics gives you probabilities and relativity gives you a more define answer. Is that the only reason why they don't mix? Are there other reasons?
 
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It's quantum mechanics doesn't mix well with general relativity. Special relativistic quantum mechanics is a perfectly well defined field.

They don't mix well because nobody has as yet been able to coherently combine them. The two theories describe different things. One describes gravity (general relativity), and the other describes the other 3 forces of nature. Roughly speaking, nobody has been able to straightforwardly combine the two in a way that does not give you a bunch of infinities everywhere.

There are some attempts like string theory, and loop quantum gravity, but they are basically wholly new theories, and they all contain parts that have not yet been worked out.
 
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QM and GR work just fine together at low energies. It is entirely incorrect to say that QM and GR cannot be made compatible. They certainly can below certain cutoffs. The issue, if you want to call it that, is what happens at high enough energy scales where new physics is needed because GR is non-perturbative on these scales. We can calculate scattering cross sections in low energy quantum gravity using QFT just as well as we can calculate cross sections in QED. I would highly recommend reading section 22.4 of Schwartz "Quantum Field Theory and the Standard Model". There you will find a calculation of the 1-loop diagram for the graviton propagator corresponding to vacuum polarization and the result is perturbative, regular, and predictive. In inflationary cosmology we quantize metric perturbations to get gravitational waves generated by a scalar inflaton, just like we quantize the EM field. This is in fact testable by relating the power spectrum of these quantized tensor modes to the energy scale of inflation.

EDIT: this is also know as the effective field theory approach.
 
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