Residual electromagnet magnetism

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The discussion centers around the concept of residual magnetism in industrial electromagnets after they are switched off. Participants explore whether any residual magnetism exists, its potential dissipation, and if it can be harnessed for practical use before it dissipates.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant wonders if residual magnetism exists in an electromagnet after it is turned off and questions its potential practical applications.
  • Another participant states that residual magnetism is generally an undesirable effect, suggesting it may cause the magnet to retain unwanted materials.
  • A different viewpoint argues that while a high-remanence core may leave a residual magnetic field, it does not equate to free energy, as energy cannot be extracted from a static magnetic field without an external source.
  • One participant reflects on the broader concept of energy conservation and the search for ways to save energy, even if the savings are minimal or inefficient.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the existence and implications of residual magnetism, with no consensus reached on its practical utility or the concept of free energy associated with it.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the use of low carbon iron in electromagnets, which may limit the amount of residual magnetism. There is also a lack of established formulas for the dissipation of any residual magnetism discussed.

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Have always wondered this so maybe I can get an answer here: when a large industrial electromagnet is switched off and the electricity-produced magnetism ceases, is there a small amount of residual magnetism in the uncharged electro-magnet? If so, does it dissipate according to a established formula? If it exists, it is essentially free energy at that point, so could it be used for an alternate and lesser purpose before it dissipates thus saving the energy needed to produce it for this alternate use?

I imagine the real question here is: if it exists, does it have any practical use before it dissipates? Or, if it exists, is it too small an amount to be of any alternate benefit?

Thanks for all informed answers.
 
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Residual magnetism in an electromagnet is an undesirable side effect.
It may mean that the magnet will still hold small particles like iron dust when it should let go of everything.

I don't think you can call it free energy except that it may take slightly less power to magnetize the magnet next time. However, electromagnets usually get the same power every time they are turned on, so this slight advantage is not used.

Mostly it is a very small effect because very low carbon iron is used to make the electromagnet.
 
You can't get energy out of a static magnetic field, so even with a high-remanence core (that's a fancy term that means a residual magnetic field is left after the coil is de-energized) you can't get any "free energy". As with all permanent magnets, you could move it through a coil to generate electricity--this is, after all, how all generators work--but that energy isn't free; the energy ultimately comes from whatever it is you use to move the magnet, be it coal, nuclear, gasoline or you.
 
Thanks for the responses. In considering all forms of energy conservation, I sometimes ponder any possible way to save wasted energy no matter how small or inefficient the savings may be. One day I may think of one that is practical but not this time, I must assume.
 

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