Residual magnetism in shunt generator reverse F1F2

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The discussion revolves around the concept of residual magnetism in a DC shunt generator and the effects of reversing field terminals on magnetic flux generation. Participants explore the implications of this reversal on current direction, generated voltage, and the overall operation of the generator.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how reversing field terminals can aid in building magnetic flux, noting that the initial configuration leads to opposing flux and zero voltage.
  • Another participant asks for a reference to the technique being discussed, seeking clarification on the terms F1 and F2.
  • A participant explains that the small voltage from residual magnetism should circulate current in the field coils to produce flux that aids the residual flux, and that incorrect field connections lead to opposing flux and zero generated voltage.
  • One participant elaborates on the sequence of events, stating that if the field current initially is zero and residual flux exists, reversing the field will cause the generated voltage to aid the residual flux instead of opposing it.
  • Another participant reiterates the importance of correct field connections, using an analogy of merging fields in a permanent magnet generator to illustrate the concept of additive versus subtractive field interactions.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the implications of reversing field terminals, with some agreeing on the need for correct connections while others remain uncertain about the mechanics involved.

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jaus tail
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Hi,
I'm not able to understand how reversing Field terminals will help build magnetic flux in dc shunt generator
Have drawn diagrams below.
In 1st case machine doesn't generate as the flux opposes residual flux, so I reverse F1, F2 and draw below diagram...
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But in second case the direction of current will also change as the flux has changed its direction. So by right hand rule, emf also changes sign. So again the field flux is same as right to left. How does this work? Do I change the direction of rotation of prime mover?
 

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Can you provide the page where you have seen this technique described? It might give a clue to what is going on.

What are F1,F2?
 
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The description is:
The small voltage due to residual magnetism should circulate current in field coils in a direction to produce flux aiding the residual flux. If the field connections are incorrect, the flux produced by small field current opposes residual flux and generated voltage becomes zero. This trouble can be remedied by reversing field connections w.r.t armature terminals.

There isn't any diagram or more. I drew the diagram myself.
 
Okay got it. At first field current is zero. Residual flux is there. This causes Eg and also Ia. This also gives field current. Now if field flux opposes residual flux then generator goes to zero voltage as flux has fallen.
But if I reverse field. Again at first field current is zero. Residual flux is there. This causes Eg and Ia. This gives field current. But now it's opposite so it aids residual flux.
 
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jaus tail said:
The description is:
The small voltage due to residual magnetism should circulate current in field coils in a direction to produce flux aiding the residual flux. If the field connections are incorrect, the flux produced by small field current opposes residual flux and generated voltage becomes zero. This trouble can be remedied by reversing field connections w.r.t armature terminals.

There isn't any diagram or more. I drew the diagram myself.
It's saying if you connect the field the wrong way it won't work. To fix this, connect it the right way and it will work.

Imagine a permanent magnet generator. You decide to add an electromagnet to strengthen the field. There are two ways to merge the fields: additively and subtractively. The prime mover's rotation remains unchanged.
 
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