Retarded potentials in disspersive media

  • Thread starter Thread starter hunt_mat
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Potentials
AI Thread Summary
The discussion focuses on the equations for retarded potentials in dispersive media, noting a lack of resources compared to the vacuum case. Classical dispersion theory, as described in Sommerfeld's work, provides the complex dielectric function through a damped harmonic oscillator model. Quantum-field theory yields similar results with the retarded in-medium Green's function for the electromagnetic field. The conversation highlights that dispersive media inherently involve loss, as indicated by the Kramers-Kronig relation. The Debye relaxation model is suggested as a foundational approach for understanding dielectric dispersion, particularly within a finite bandwidth context.
hunt_mat
Homework Helper
Messages
1,816
Reaction score
33
Are there any equations for these? I have seen in books for the vacuum case but not for a dispersive media.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
A very nice description of classical dispersion theory can be found in

A. Sommerfeld, Lectures on Theoretical Physics IV (Optics)
 
Do they include the equations for a dispersive media though? I can get the basic theory from Griffiths (it's very well explained).
 
The classical dispersion theory gives you the (complex-valued) dielectric function \epsilon(\omega) from a simple damped harmonic oscillator ansatz for the electrons in the medium interacting with the incoming em. wave.

Quantum-field theoretically you find very similar results as the retarded in-medium Green's function of the em. field. Quantum mechanical dispersion theory on this linear-response level is not so different from the classical theory.
 
Interesting. I am not that interested in complex mediums, just a simple multiplicative description.
 
hunt_mat said:
Interesting. I am not that interested in complex mediums, just a simple multiplicative description.

You can't avoid it though. A dispersive media always implies a lossy media by virtue of the Kramers-Kronig relation. As vanhees states though, the simplest model for a dispersive media is a simple oscillator as modeled by the Debye relaxation (or its variants like the Cole-Cole, Cole-Davidson, etc.). I would use Debye relaxation as a basic start for modeling dielectric dispersion. As simple as it is, it's very useful in application as long as you realize that it is meant to be applied over a finite bandwidth.
 
I have recently been really interested in the derivation of Hamiltons Principle. On my research I found that with the term ##m \cdot \frac{d}{dt} (\frac{dr}{dt} \cdot \delta r) = 0## (1) one may derivate ##\delta \int (T - V) dt = 0## (2). The derivation itself I understood quiet good, but what I don't understand is where the equation (1) came from, because in my research it was just given and not derived from anywhere. Does anybody know where (1) comes from or why from it the...
Back
Top