Retro-causality thought experiment

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The discussion revolves around a thought experiment related to retro-causality in quantum mechanics, particularly in the context of Wheeler's delayed choice quantum eraser experiment. Participants explore whether the implications of such experiments could extend to the universe and the laws of physics, raising questions about the nature of causality and the impact of contemporary experiments on past events.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that experiments like Wheeler's delayed choice quantum eraser indicate that we can retroactively impact past events, potentially affecting the conditions of the big bang and current laws of physics.
  • Another participant counters this view, arguing that discovering properties of particles does not alter their existence or behavior, using a marriage analogy to illustrate their point.
  • A third participant expresses agreement with the skepticism towards the initial thought experiment, suggesting it highlights absurdities in quantum mechanics.
  • Further discussion prompts participants to clarify which specific ideas in quantum mechanics they find absurd, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the concepts involved.
  • One participant asserts that the notion of retro-causality would violate causality and claims that no experiment has demonstrated such a violation, labeling the thought experiment as a misunderstanding of actual experiments.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the implications of retro-causality and the interpretation of quantum mechanics. There is no consensus on the validity of the thought experiment or the interpretations of the experiments discussed.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding the implications of quantum mechanics and the nature of causality, with some suggesting that common sense interpretations may not apply in this context.

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It has been mostly substantiated by virtue of experiments such as wheelers delayed choice quantum eraser experiment that we are able to retroactively impact past events of particles. However could this apply to the universe. When physicists are carrying out experiments today, which are creating the conditions of the big bang, prior to the experiment it is uncertain what they will find, because it is uncertain how things behaved back then. That means by experiment that physicists are retroactively determining the laws of physics and even what happens today. This could have devastating consequences potentially since effecting the conditions of the big bang could dramatically effect the conditions today.

Please tell me what you think of my thought experiment?
 
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john taylor said:
It has been mostly substantiated by virtue of experiments such as wheelers delayed choice quantum eraser experiment that we are able to retroactively impact past events of particles. However could this apply to the universe. When physicists are carrying out experiments today, which are creating the conditions of the big bang, prior to the experiment it is uncertain what they will find, because it is uncertain how things behaved back then. That means by experiment that physicists are retroactively determining the laws of physics and even what happens today. This could have devastating consequences potentially since effecting the conditions of the big bang could dramatically effect the conditions today.

Please tell me what you think of my thought experiment?
I think it's nonsense. If I find out today that you got married 8 years ago, does that somehow mean that you are now divorced? You may or may not be divorced now, but my finding out when you got married has nothing to do with it.

To be more specific, the properties of the electron, for example, are what they are. Our DISCOVERING what they are has no effect on what they are now or on what they have always been.
 
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So do I but its a thought experiment to highlight the absurdities with some of the ideas being proposed in quantum mechanics.
 
john taylor said:
So do I but its a thought experiment to highlight the absurdities with some of the ideas being proposed in quantum mechanics.
What specific ideas do you have in mind? I suspect that you might be misunderstanding whatever idea it is that you think is absurd, unless of course you just mean that it defies "common sense" or "intuition" both of which are often counterproductive in QM.
 
john taylor said:
highlight the absurdities with some of the ideas being proposed in quantum mechanics.

phinds said:
What specific ideas do you have in mind?
Ohhh yes ... please enlighten us all :smile:
 
john taylor said:
t has been mostly substantiated by virtue of experiments such as wheelers delayed choice quantum eraser experiment that we are able to retroactively impact past events of particles.

No, it hasn't. That would violate causality, and no experiment has ever shown a violation of causality.

john taylor said:
Please tell me what you think of my thought experiment?

It's not a thought experiment, it's a mistaken understanding of an actual experiment.

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