Assessing Presidential Candidates: Qualifications and Competencies

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The discussion centers around skepticism regarding Rick Perry's viability as a presidential candidate in 2012, with many participants expressing disbelief at his statements, particularly his claims about a "war on religion." The conversation critiques Perry's approach to politics, suggesting he is attempting to appeal to the Evangelical vote due to his declining poll numbers. Participants highlight the absurdity of intertwining religion with political agendas and question the relevance of religious beliefs in governance, especially in a diverse democratic society. The discussion also touches on broader themes, such as the perceived disconnect between American politicians and the electorate's views on issues like LGBTQ rights and the separation of church and state. Many contributors express frustration with the influence of a literal interpretation of the Bible on American politics, contrasting it with political practices in other countries, like France, where religion is less prominent in public discourse. Overall, the thread reflects a critical view of Perry's candidacy and the role of religion in American politics, emphasizing a desire for a more secular approach in governance.
  • #51


netgypsy said:
What surprises me is that any sane person would run in the first place.

Who says they do?
 
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  • #52


rootX said:
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So far, I have stayed away from criticizing Rick Perry believing that his opinions/views represent a certain portion of American population.

Unfortunately, they do. :cry:
 
  • #53


You won't catch me criticizing him either. I live where 80 year old ladies are packing 45's and certainly will use them.

Speaking of al Gore I was curious about exactly what he said that caused the media to say he claimed to have invented the internet. Pretty interesting.

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp
 
  • #54


rootX said:
So far, I have stayed away from criticizing Rick Perry believing that his opinions/views represent a certain portion of American population.

He uses faith as a sales pitch and then lies about Obama. What about this is Christian? Why does he need to sell his religion? "I am holier than "THEM" as a campaign slogan? Please. That has more in common with used car sales than it does faith. This guy [and Romney] are utterly transparent.
 
  • #55


netgypsy said:
You won't catch me criticizing him either. I live where 80 year old ladies are packing 45's and certainly will use them.

Speaking of al Gore I was curious about exactly what he said that caused the media to say he claimed to have invented the internet. Pretty interesting.

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

He was largely responsible for driving the "information superhighway", as it was called then, and people laughed then too. Fact is that he was dead on.
 
  • #56
One time when someone brought it up (when he was a guest on some show), he admitted that it wasn't his greatest moment, and explained it with "I was up late the night before, inventing the camcorder".
 
  • #57
The saddest thing about Rick Perry, like every disgusting politician, is that they were voted for. It doesn't matter too much if Perry really believes that a prayer rally is an appropriate response to a natural disaster or that he is homophobic because of his favourite ancient book, the sad thing is people saw him and thought "that's who we want deciding state policy"
 
  • #58
Big plays by Rick Perry. Big plays
 
  • #59


Ivan Seeking said:
He uses faith as a sales pitch and then lies about Obama. What about this is Christian? Why does he need to sell his religion? "I am holier than "THEM" as a campaign slogan? Please. That has more in common with used car sales than it does faith. This guy [and Romney] are utterly transparent.

I don't understand your complains at all. Doesn't every candidate sell something either science, jobs, terrorism, or what not?

Obama is in favor of more liberal practices (gay culture/abortions/embryonic stem cell research), that many people like Perry are not. I don't see anything wrong in coming up on the national tv and voicing one's opinions.
 
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rootX said:
I don't understand your complains at all. Doesn't every candidate sell something either science, jobs, terrorism, or what not?

Obama is in favor of more liberal practices (gay culture/abortions/embryonic stem cell research), that many people like Perry are not. I don't see anything wrong in coming up on the national tv and voicing one's opinions.
Yeah, that's what he did all right. :smile: The problem is, he wants to be President.
 
  • #61
This makes me cringe...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiCRW5zGSG4
 
  • #62
Kevin_Axion said:
This makes me cringe...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiCRW5zGSG4

Slogan: "Stupidity. Third Time's the Charm."
 
  • #63
Don't get me wrong, I agree that Rick Perry is an ignorant fool, but the fact that he couldn't remember that the third one was the department of energy isn't a reason to think so. Everyone talks about it as if it proves that he's a moron. In my opinion, it doesn't even point in that direction. It says nothing at all about his intelligence or leadership abilities. It's not like the USA is going to end up in a situation where he goes "Go ahead and bomb Iraq, Afghanistan, and...uh...". Even if that would happen, it's not like it would lead to an accidental bombing of Norway.
 
  • #64
Fredrik said:
Don't get me wrong, I agree that Rick Perry is an ignorant fool, but the fact that he couldn't remember that the third one was the department of energy isn't a reason to think so. Everyone talks about it as if it proves that he's a moron. In my opinion, it doesn't even point in that direction. It says nothing at all about his intelligence or leadership abilities. It's not like the USA is going to end up in a situation where he goes "Go ahead and bomb Iraq, Afghanistan, and...uh...". Even if that would happen, it's not like it would lead to an accidental bombing of Norway.
Lots of gays in Norway, they're a very liberal, secular country. Just sayin...:-p
 
  • #65
Fredrik said:
Don't get me wrong, I agree that Rick Perry is an ignorant fool, but the fact that he couldn't remember that the third one was the department of energy isn't a reason to think so. Everyone talks about it as if it proves that he's a moron. In my opinion, it doesn't even point in that direction. It says nothing at all about his intelligence or leadership abilities. It's not like the USA is going to end up in a situation where he goes "Go ahead and bomb Iraq, Afghanistan, and...uh...". Even if that would happen, it's not like it would lead to an accidental bombing of Norway.

These distractions get more attention than the candidates' actual agendas: economy, health, and foreign policies etc.
 
  • #66
rootX said:
These distractions get more attention than the candidates' actual agendas: economy, health, and foreign policies etc.
His track record in Texas is awful. There is a thread about him. He paid his friends to move their companies to Texas, there is a whole laundry list of bad things he's done. And then he lied about them, and worse, he got caught lying.
 
  • #67
I thought this was kind of funny. Someone noticed that Rick Perry's coat in the video is very similar to a coat worn by Heath Ledger in a very famous movie.

http://fif.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads...be pretty funny if someone did it on purpose.
 
  • #68
Fredrik said:
I thought this was kind of funny. Someone noticed that Rick Perry's coat in the video is very similar to a coat worn by Heath Ledger in a very famous movie.

http://fif.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads...municate and fit in with the rest of society.
 
  • #69
rootX said:
These distractions get more attention than the candidates' actual agendas: economy, health, and foreign policies etc.

The problem isn't that he couldn't remember some random fact, it is that he couldn't remember his own platform. If the guy brain locks due to a little debate, what will he do in an actual crisis?

It's all moot anyway. He has established in his own party that he's not up to the job. He has no chance of being elected or even nominated.
 
  • #70
Ivan Seeking said:
The problem isn't that he couldn't remember some random fact, it is that he couldn't remember his own platform. If the guy brain locks due to a little debate, what will he do in an actual crisis?
You mean a crisis like if aliens invade and say they'll blow up the east coast if the president can't think of the name of the actor who played "Ben" on Lost in less than 15 seconds? I really can't think of any kind of crisis where the president needs this skill.

Ivan Seeking said:
It's all moot anyway. He has established in his own party that he's not up to the job. He has no chance of being elected or even nominated.
Right, but what I find really sad about this is that he's being disqualified because of irrelevant things like this, while his poor understanding of economics and other things that matter is part of what gave him a fighting chance in the first place.
 
  • #71
I guess the Republican party knows how to quit Rick Perry. For myself, I went out and bought a new jacket today, I no longer feel comfortable wearing the old one. Not that there's anything wrong with it.
 
  • #72
Fredrik said:
You mean a crisis like if aliens invade and say they'll blow up the east coast if the president can't think of the name of the actor who played "Ben" on Lost in less than 15 seconds? I really can't think of any kind of crisis where the president needs this skill.

Why are you intentionally posting nonsense? You sound like Rick Perry! :smile:

Right, but what I find really sad about this is that he's being disqualified because of irrelevant things like this,

Show me the evidence for this claim. It is obvious to me that he's not Presidential material. His brain lock was just icing on the cake.

I wouldn't vote for Newt or Romney, but at least they are intellectually qualified to stand on that stage. And frankly, Romney has been completely outclassed by Newt. Ron Paul is lovable and qualified, but he's just too extreme and nutty at times.
 
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