Right Hand rule in regards to direction of velocity

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of the right hand rule in determining the direction of velocity and magnetic force, particularly in the context of charged particles like electrons moving in a magnetic field. Participants explore various interpretations and applications of the rule, addressing specific scenarios involving downward forces and magnetic fields oriented in different directions.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about the right hand rule when the magnetic force points downward, noting discrepancies in expected directions.
  • One participant explains that in the right hand rule, the palm represents the direction of magnetic force, fingers indicate the magnetic field, and the thumb shows the direction of velocity, suggesting that if the magnetic force is downward, the velocity must be oriented towards the north.
  • Another participant seeks clarification on the specific problem involving an electron experiencing a downward force while traveling in a magnetic field directed west, questioning the correct orientation of the hand in this scenario.
  • Some participants emphasize the need to consider the charge of the particle, noting that for electrons, the directions should be reversed.
  • One participant describes visualizing the scenario using a compass on a horizontal plane, concluding that the electron's movement would be north when reversing the direction due to its negative charge.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the application of the right hand rule in the specific scenario discussed. Multiple interpretations and approaches are presented, indicating ongoing uncertainty and debate regarding the correct application of the rule.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention the need for clarity regarding the specific problem being addressed, indicating that variations in the setup could lead to different interpretations of the right hand rule. There is also mention of the importance of considering the charge of the particle when applying the rule.

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Hey

I am trying to figure out how to use the right hand rule when magnetic force points downward. I comprehend what the fingers are used for but when i but the finger downward I get a direction to the left, but the answer is that the direction is north. Why is that?
 
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The Right Hand Rule is used to determine the direction of the Magnetic Flux Generated by a current flowing through a wire wrapped around and and Iron Rod Core. If the fingers are curled around the rod in the direction of the current, The resulting Flux will be in the direction of the extended thumb. By convention we call that pole of the core "North".
Edmund
 
arsnmilan4 said:
I am trying to figure out how to use the right hand rule when magnetic force points downward. I comprehend what the fingers are used for but when i but the finger downward I get a direction to the left, but the answer is that the direction is north. Why is that?
Please describe the exact problem you are trying to answer. (There are many right hand rules.)

Since you mention magnetic force and velocity, I can guess that you are trying to find the direction of the magnetic field or velocity that will result in a downward force on some charged particle?
 
Well...

You do cite the velocity, so...

In the Right Hand Rule, the palm is the direction of the magnetic force, the four fingers are the direction of the magnetic field and the thumb is the direction of the velocity. If there is no angle written down for the velocity's direction, it is perpendicular to the magnetic field.

If the magnetic force is down, then the palm faces down. By the way you describe it, the answer is that the velocity is in front, or towards the north, so if you twist your hand, the direction of the field is right, or east. Check your problem again to see if it doesn't say something about the directions again.
 
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The problem states that an electron has a downward force traveilling in a magnetic field west. So the hand is pointing down and the palm is pointing toward the left?
 
Read this: http://www.physics.brocku.ca/faculty/sternin/120/slides/rh-rule.html"

I recommend the middle right hand diagram, but any version will do. Don't forget to reverse things since the electron has a negative charge.
 
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arsnmilan4 said:
The problem states that an electron has a downward force traveilling in a magnetic field west. So the hand is pointing down and the palm is pointing toward the left?

If the magnetic field is west, the tips of your fingers would be pointing to the west (your left side) and the downward force means that your palm would be facing downwards.
 
Ok I get the problem. I was visualizing the plane differently. Thanks
 
Dozent100 said:
The Right Hand Rule is used to determine the direction of the Magnetic Flux Generated by a current flowing through a wire wrapped around and and Iron Rod Core. If the fingers are curled around the rod in the direction of the current, The resulting Flux will be in the direction of the extended thumb. By convention we call that pole of the core "North".
Edmund
the right hand rule is a simple method for determining the resultant direction of a cross product.

that means, any time you have a cross product, the right hand rule is applicable.
not just the specific case you described
 
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The way I thought of this was to imagine a compass on a Horizontal plane. With the fingers pointed to the west, and the palm facing down onto the plane, you should end up with your thumb pointing in the South direction. Note since this is an electron simply reverse the direction and you end up with the electron moving North.
 

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