I Rigorous Explanation of dW in Problem 121

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The discussion focuses on the rigorous explanation of the work done, represented as dW = (kmgcosΦ + mgsinΦ) ds, in the context of a curve. The participants explore the implications of varying angles (Φ) on the differential elements along the curve, questioning the validity of treating all segments as equal when Δx tends to zero. It is emphasized that the lengths of segments do not need to be uniform for summation, as the integral approach accommodates varying lengths. The conversation also touches on the relationship between potential energy gained and work against friction, suggesting that a deeper understanding of trigonometric relationships can clarify the work calculation. Ultimately, the discussion aims to establish the mathematical rigor behind the proposed work equation.
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In the solution of this problem(121), dW = (kmgcosΦ + mgsinΦ) ds, where ds is the differential element along the curve. Now they have done kmg dscosΦ + mg ds(sinΦ) = kmgdx +mgdy. Makes sense intuitively, but I want to know how this is rigorous. What I'm thinking is, the curve is broken into N elements of the same length along the curve over which a Riemann sum gives a line integral. But here cosΦ is varying, so wouldn't all the Δx's and Δy's not be of the same length? And if your explanation is that as Δx tends to zero the two become the same, then why can't we simply treat all differential elements as the same since they all tend to zero after all?

Sorry for the rambling at the end. But can someone just show me why such an operation is rigorous?
 
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The lengths of your segments don't have to be the same for you to sum them up. It's easier if you take equal sized horizontal steps, but let the vertical step vary.
 
If they don't actually tell you the shape of the curve then it must be irrelevant (?). The answer must be independent of shape.
Without being too rigorous, I would suggest the work done would have to be mgh + kmgl . That would be PE gained + resultant work against friction, equivalent to dragging it along the ground first or last. Your infinitesimal approach is 'better behaved' and I think that, if you examine what cos and sin theta represent, in terms of δx and δy, I think that things should fall out when you work out the work along the hypotenuse of an infinitesimal sloping section. You will need to get your hands dirty with some trig and basic friction. You have to believe it will all fall out nicely and it will. :nb)
 
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