RLC Circuit with a Gyrator as an Inductor

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the construction and analysis of a resonant circuit utilizing a gyrator to simulate an inductor. Participants explore the frequency response of the circuit, which is intended to operate at low frequencies (<1kHz), and examine discrepancies between measured and expected performance metrics, such as natural frequency and damping.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their circuit configuration using a gyrator, resistors, and capacitors, and notes discrepancies in measured frequency response compared to theoretical predictions.
  • Another participant suggests that the circuit may be simulating a parallel resonant circuit rather than a series one, indicating a potential misunderstanding of resonance definitions.
  • A different participant mentions the limitations of operational amplifiers in feedback configurations and shares an alternative approach using an emitter follower instead of an op-amp with 100% feedback.
  • Concerns are raised about the input impedance of the circuit affecting measurements, with a recommendation to adjust component values for better performance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the circuit's configuration and its implications for resonance. There is no consensus on the cause of the measurement discrepancies, and multiple competing perspectives on circuit design and component selection are present.

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Participants reference specific component values and configurations, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the circuit's behavior and the definitions of resonance being applied. The impact of component tolerances and measurement techniques on results is not fully explored.

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Individuals interested in circuit design, particularly those exploring the use of gyrators and resonant circuits, may find this discussion relevant.

swraman
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Hi,

Im trying to build a resonant circuit with a ~low frequency resonance (<1kHz). I am using a Gyrator (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrator#Application:_a_simulated_inductor) as the inductor.

300px-Op-Amp_Gyrator.svg.png


Im using:
RL = 100ohm
R = 27kohm
C = 1uF

I put another 1uF capacitor in front of Zin, to form a series RLC circuit with C, RL, and L=RL*R*C

This should give a natural frequency of 96.8Hz and a damped natural frequency of approx the same:

bode.png


But, when I measure the frequency response of the thing using a spectrum analyzer, I get something that is slightly off in frequency:

bode_meas1.png


The frequency is off by over 12Hz. The damping estimates (based on the half power method) are also off by a factor of ~3.

Are there any errors that you can think of that would lead to this? Am I missing something in my usage of the gyrator as an inductor?

Ive tried different resistors and swapped out the capacitors, but they all have the same results. Regardless of what resistors I use, I always seem to get measurements that are off from the transfer function predictions.
 
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Not quite sure about your graphs, but in spite of the equivalent circuit you have drawn, you seem to be simulating a parallel resonant circuit. Resonance is defined as the frequency where the phase shift is zero, not the max voltage, and for a parallel circuit the two are different.
 
Not all operational amplifiers can handle 100% feedback. I created an equalizer many years ago where I used simple gyrators. Instead of an operational amplifier with 100% feedback, I just used an emitter follower (which also have a gain of +1).
 
swraman said:
Regardless of what resistors I use, I always seem to get measurements that are off from the transfer function predictions.
You have measured the actual component values, so you accurately know its theoretical response?

Keep signal amplitude low to avoid overloading the op-amp, and monitor Vout. Your circuit has a relatively low input impedance, so it's loading whatever is driving it.

I'd be happier if RL were to be about 20 times larger and C were 20 times smaller.

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