RMS error in volume of a cylinder

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves calculating the RMS error in the volume of a cylinder based on the measured errors in its radius and height. The original poster presents a formula for volume and attempts to derive the RMS error from given percentage errors in measurements.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the method of combining errors, with some suggesting the use of quadrature rather than linear addition. There is also a question about the implications of independent measurements and how they affect the overall error calculation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations of how to calculate the RMS error being explored. Some participants provide insights into the mathematical principles behind error propagation, while others express confusion about specific points and seek further clarification.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of multiple choice options for the RMS error, which adds a layer of complexity to the discussion. Participants are also considering the independence of measurements and the implications for error calculation.

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Homework Statement


The length and radius of a perfect cylinder are measured with an RMS error of 1%. The RMS error of the inferred volume of the cylinder is.. ?

Homework Equations


V=∏r2h
Hence dV/V=2dr/r+dh/h

The Attempt at a Solution


I took dr/r and dh/h as 1%. So got the final answer as 2x1%+1%=3%
But the question came with 4 options(one of which is correct):
1.7%, 3.3%, 0.5% and 1%

So my answer is wrong ! What am I overlooking ? Is there any special precautions to be taken about RMS error ?
 
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The uncertainties of the two measurements should be independent, so I would add those contributions in quadrature and not linear. But then the result is 2.2% :D.
1.7% would be the answer if all three dimensions had been measured independently.
 
mfb said:
1.7% would be the answer if all three dimensions had been measured independently.

Could you please explain that, or give some link where it has been explained ? I didn't quiet understand what you meant by that.. X-)
 
The two errors might add up, but also they might partly cancel. So the RMS error in the volume will be less than simply 3 x one dimension of error. Instead, you use a root-sum-squares way of adding them up. But mfb is right that the answer should not be 1.7 either. That would be the answer for volume of a rectangular block with independent 1% errors in each of the three dimensions: √(12+12+12) = √3.
In the present case, there are only two measurements. An error of x% in the radius will produce an error of 2x% in the cross-sectional area, so we have √(12+22) = √5 ≈ 2.2, which is not in the list.
 
Ok. So √3 which matches with one of the given options doesn't really make much sense.

Thanks a lot for the help guys. What was more important to me was how to find the RMS error(of any measurement, not just the volume of a cylinder) rather than just matching answers with options. I guess I learned that. :-)
 

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