High School Rolling without slipping in non-sloping surface

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The discussion centers on the dynamics of an object rolling without slipping on a non-sloping surface, specifically addressing the role of friction and rolling resistance. It is established that while Newton's first law suggests indefinite motion, practical factors such as rolling resistance and air resistance will ultimately slow the object down. The conversation highlights that friction is not the primary force affecting the motion of a rolling object; instead, rolling resistance plays a crucial role in determining deceleration. Theoretical models indicate that while the object may slow down, it will not come to a complete stop unless external factors intervene.

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  • Understanding of Newton's laws of motion
  • Familiarity with concepts of friction and rolling resistance
  • Basic knowledge of free-body diagrams
  • Awareness of air resistance effects on moving objects
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Suppose we leave an object on a non-sloping surface that rolls and moves forward without slipping. Does this object continue to move indefinitely?
 
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abdossamad2003 said:
Suppose we leave an object on a non-sloping surface that rolls and moves forward without slipping. Does this object continue to move indefinitely?
Theoretically, Newton's first law applies.
 
but in free-body diagram, the friction force decrease velocity, isn't it?

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abdossamad2003 said:
but in free-body diagram, the friction force decrease velocity, isn't it?

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For rolling at constant velocity the friction force is zero. If the friction force were non-zero, then there would be a torque on the ball.
 
Given that the motion is rolling, it means that the friction is non-zero. Like a ball dropped on the ground.
 
abdossamad2003 said:
Given that the motion is rolling, it means that the friction is non-zero.
The friction is zero. The ball would continue to roll uniformly on a frictionless surface. Friction is only required for acceleration and deceleration.

In fact, if you add some air resistance to slow the ball down, then the friction acts in the direction of motion. In the opposite direction to what you have shown.
 
Consider two modes, one with low friction and the other with more friction
The rolling body travels longer distances on the surface with less friction.
 
abdossamad2003 said:
Consider two modes, one with low friction and the other with more friction
The rolling body travels longer distances on the surface with less friction.
It's rolling resistance, not friction, that determines the deceleration:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_resistance

The reason a wheel is so efficient is that there is effectively no friction for a uniformly rolling wheel.
 
abdossamad2003 said:
but in free-body diagram, the friction force decrease velocity, isn't it?

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Note that, in particular, in your model the ball will be slowing down, but its rotation will be speeding up!
 
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This diagram is probably correct because friction reduces rolling, but it contradicts Newton's second law.
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abdossamad2003 said:
This diagram is probably correct because friction reduces rolling, but it contradicts Newton's second law.
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That diagram is equally wrong. Look at the Wikipedia page. Rolling resistance is complicated and cannot be reduced to a single force of friction.
 
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abdossamad2003 said:
This diagram is probably correct because friction reduces rolling, but it contradicts Newton's second law.
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because the motion is negative acceleration not possitive acceleration
 
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abdossamad2003 said:
Does this object continue to move indefinitely?
In practice or in theory?
The loss of energy will be a function of the distance traveled and the airspeed.
Theoretically the ball will gradually slow down, but will never quite stop.
Practically the surface will not be perfectly smooth, so the ball will stop at the foot of a hill.
 
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If a body rolls without slipping on a surface then the friction force even if it is not vanished does not make work
 

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