Rotation of body in stregth of materials problem

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The discussion revolves around a problem in strength of materials involving a uniform bar of length 2l that is rotated in a horizontal plane about its midpoint with an angular velocity ω. Participants explore the application of d'Alembert's principle to analyze the centrifugal forces acting on the bar, aiming to derive formulas for stress distribution and elastic displacement as functions of radial distance from the center.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express uncertainty about how to begin solving the problem and seek guidance on the application of d'Alembert's principle.
  • One participant proposes that the mass contained in the region of the bar between r and r + dr can be expressed as dm=4πρlrdr, while another later corrects this to dm=ρAdr, emphasizing the need to consider the cross-sectional area.
  • There is a discussion about the tension in the bar at specific locations, with one participant stating that the tension at r = l is zero, as the rod is not in contact with anything at that point.
  • Participants discuss the forces acting on differential elements of the rod, questioning the direction of forces and the correct formulation of the force balance equation.
  • One participant suggests that the centripetal force should be considered as mω^2r, but another clarifies that this only applies if the mass is concentrated at a point, noting that the mass is distributed along the length of the rod.
  • There is a clarification regarding the interpretation of r, with one participant initially misunderstanding it as the distance from the axis of the cylinder rather than along the length of the cylinder from its midpoint.
  • Participants engage in deriving the sum of forces on an element dr, with discussions about the implications of terms involving dr^2 and the integration of the force balance equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple competing views and remains unresolved, particularly regarding the correct formulation of forces and the interpretation of the problem statement. Participants express differing understandings of the physical setup and the application of mathematical principles.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in their understanding of the problem, such as the dependence on definitions of variables and the need for clarity in the application of principles like d'Alembert's. There are unresolved mathematical steps in deriving the force balance and stress distribution.

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Homework Statement



A uniform bar of length 2l is rotated in a horizontal plane about its mid-point as center with an angular velocity ω. This case must be reduced to a problem in statics by the application of d'Alembert's principle, the "forces" acting being "centrifugal" forces.

a) Plot the stress distribution and the elastic displacement against the radial distance from the center, and derive formulae for the maximum stress and the maximum displacement.

ANS:\frac{γω^2}{2g}(l^2-r^2)

Homework Equations



F=m*\frac{v^2}{r}=m*ω^2*r
P=\frac{F}{A}

The Attempt at a Solution



I really have no idea where to begin or how to continue
 
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Chacabucogod said:

Homework Statement



A uniform bar of length 2l is rotated in a horizontal plane about its mid-point as center with an angular velocity ω. This case must be reduced to a problem in statics by the application of d'Alembert's principle, the "forces" acting being "centrifugal" forces.

a) Plot the stress distribution and the elastic displacement against the radial distance from the center, and derive formulae for the maximum stress and the maximum displacement.

ANS:\frac{γω^2}{2g}(l^2-r^2)

Homework Equations



F=m*\frac{v^2}{r}=m*ω^2*r
P=\frac{F}{A}

The Attempt at a Solution



I really have no idea where to begin or how to continue
Let ρ represent the density of the bar. How much mass dm is contained in the region of the bar between r and r + dr? What is the tension in the bar at location r = l ?

Chet
 
The mass between r and dr will be

dm=4πρlrdr

The force at l will be

F=mω^2l

I'll try to see if I can come up with something using what you just told me.

Thank you
 
Chacabucogod said:
The mass between r and dr will be

dm=4πρlrdr

Actually, the differential mass between r and r + dr will be
dm=ρAdr
where A is the cross sectional area of the rod and Adr is the differential volume of the rod contained between r and r + dr.

The force at l will be
F=mω^2l

No. Actually, the tension in the rod at r = l will be zero, since the rod is not contacting anything at that location.

Draw a free body diagram of the differential section of rod situated between r and r + dr. Call F(r) the tension in the rod as a function of r. What is the force acting on the surface of the differential element at r + dr, and in which direction does it point? What is the force acting on the surface of the differential element at r, and in which direction does it point? What is the mass times acceleration of the differential element, and in which direction does it point? Write down your force balance equation for the differential element.

Chet
 
2 Things:

The cross sectional area would be: 2*pi*r*2l no?

If a point mass is rotating about a point a distance l wouldn't the centripetal force be the F that I just mentioned?

Thank you
 
No. In this problem, r is not the distance from the axis of the cylinder. See the problem statement. r is measured along the length of the cylinder from its midpoint.

Regarding the force, your equation would be correct only if all the mass is concentrated at a point. However, in this problem, the mass is distributed along the length, and different parts of the rod are experiencing different accelerations. You need to take this into account.

Chet
 
So you are telling me that the rod is rotating over a plane and not on its own axis? That's not how I understood it.

Thank you.

NVM now I get it.
 
So from the side nearest to the midpoint the force is mω^2r and farther there is mω^2(r+dr) right?
 
Chacabucogod said:
So from the side nearest to the midpoint the force is mω^2r and farther there is mω^2(r+dr) right?
No. From the side nearest the midpoint, it's F(r), and farther there is F(r+dr). Now, what is the differential mass times acceleration?

Chet
 
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Rho*a*dr*centripetal acceleration right?
 
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Would this be the sum of forces on an element dr?

-ρAdr(ω^2r)+ρAdr(ω^2(r+dr))

you end up with a Rho*...*dr^2 which I imagine you won't take into account and it will work right?
 
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Chacabucogod said:
Would this be the sum of forces on an element dr?

-ρAdr(ω^2r)+ρAdr(ω^2(r+dr))

you end up with a Rho*...*dr^2 which I imagine you won't take into account and it will work right?
Nope. The force balance I get is:

##F(r+dr)-F(r)=-ρAdr(ω^2r)##

or equivalently:

\frac{dF}{dr}=-ρAω^2r

See what you get when you integrate this between arbitrary r and r = l.

Chet
 
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Alright! Now I understand it! Thank you for your help and patience.
 

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