Rotational Motion -- a hollow ball rolls down a ramp

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The problem involves a hollow ball rolling down an inclined ramp at an angle θ, starting from rest, and seeks to find an expression for its speed after traveling a distance d along the incline. The subject area pertains to rotational motion and energy conservation principles.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the moment of inertia for a hollow sphere and its implications for the problem. Some suggest using conservation of energy to relate potential and kinetic energies, while others emphasize the importance of whether the ball rolls without slipping. Various expressions for energy conservation are proposed, and participants explore the relationship between translational and rotational motion.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with multiple interpretations being explored regarding the moment of inertia and the conditions of rolling. Some participants have provided guidance on using energy conservation principles, while others have raised questions about the assumptions made in the problem setup.

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There is a noted discrepancy regarding the moment of inertia for the hollow sphere, with participants clarifying that the correct value is 2/3*M*R^2, as opposed to the initially mentioned 2/5*M*R^2 for a solid sphere. Additionally, the discussion includes considerations of whether the ball is rolling without slipping, which affects the energy equations used.

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Homework Statement


Starting from rest, ahollow ball rolls down a ramp inclined at angle θ to the horizontal. Find an expression for its speed after it's gone a distance d along the incline.


Homework Equations



I for sphere = 2/5*M*R^2

The Attempt at a Solution


I know we have to use v^2=u^2+2ax
and we have to find the angular acceleration however I am not sure how to relate both of them.
 
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First thing you'll want to note is that the ball is hollow. So 2/5mR^2 is the wrong moment of inertia.

Second I think you should think about conservation of energy.

I'm not a tutor or answer person for the site but I think this should set you on the right track.
 
Please mention if the ball does pure rolling or not.
 
The moment of inertia for a hollow sphere is 2/3*M*r^2. not 2/5*M*r^2 that's for a solid sphere.
 
Adithyan said:
Please mention if the ball does pure rolling or not.

The word "rolls" implies pure rolling unless otherwise mentioned
 
Consider the ball starting at rest at a height yi . It’s initial energy is entirely potential energy, so Ei = Mgyi .
As the ball rolls down the incline, to the right, it picks up speed and loses potential energy.
Since the ball is rolling it has both translational and rotational kinetic energy.
So, the final energy is

Ef = KE of trans + KE of rot + M g yf = 1 /2 M v^2 + 1 /2 I ω^2 + M g yf

, where v is the translational speed, I is the moment of inertia, and ω is the rotational speed.
Conservation of energy says that

Mg (yi − yf ) = 1 /2 M v^2 + 1 /2 Iω^2

But, the change in height H = yi − yf .

Furthermore, from the geometry, H = d sin θ. Thus, we find

M g d sin θ = 1 /2 M v^2 + 1/ 2 Iω^2 .

Now, the condition that the ball roll without slipping means that
v = Rω,
where R is the radius of the ball. Thus, we have

M g d sin θ = 1 /2 M v^2 + (1/2) I ( v^2 / R^2) = M /2 (1 + I/ M R^2 ) (v ^2 ).

Now, we are told that the moment of inertia is I = 2 /3 MR^2 ,

and so:wink:

M g d sin θ = M /2 (1 + 2 /3) v ^2 = (5 M /6) v ^2 .

Canceling off the mass from both sides and solving for the speed gives

v^2 = (6 /5) g d sin θ

this the answer :smile:?:)?:)?:)
 
in rolling motions there are two types of kinetic term, translational motion and rotational one. let the ball start from rest at height of ##h## from the base and rolls a distance of ##d## along the incline. Using the conservation of Mechanical energy, we get
$$E_i=E_f \Rightarrow m g h_i=\frac 1 2 I \omega^{2}+\frac 1 2 m V_{CM}^{2}$$
Recall that translational velocity or center of mass velocity is related to the angular velocity by $$V_{CM}=\omega r$$ where ##r## is the distance between axis of rotation and point of impact with the ground which in this case is the radius of the ball. therefore
$$mgd\,\sin \theta=\frac 1 2 I \left(\frac {V_{CM}}{r}\right)^{2}+\frac 1 2 m V_{CM}^2 $$
which gives the velocity of the hollow ball (or translational velocity) at the incline as
$$V_{CM}=\sqrt {\frac {10} 7 gh}=\sqrt {\frac {10} 7 g (d\,\sin \theta)}$$
For more solved problems see,
https://physexams.com/exam/Rotational_Motions/15
https://physexams.com/exam/work_and_energy/3
 
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