Row Reduction to solve for 6 Unknowns

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The discussion revolves around a problem in calculus related to row reduction of a system of equations involving six unknowns. The original poster presents a set of three equations and expresses uncertainty about the possibility of finding solutions given the disparity between the number of equations and unknowns.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand the implications of having three equations with six unknowns and questions whether a unique solution is possible. Some participants suggest performing row reduction to analyze the relationships between the variables. Others discuss the concept of free variables and the conditions under which solutions may or may not exist.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring the implications of the row reduction process and discussing the nature of solutions. There is a recognition that while specific values for each variable may not be obtainable, relationships among the variables can be established. The conversation reflects a mix of interpretations regarding the existence of solutions based on the equations presented.

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The problem context includes a potential misunderstanding of the row echelon form and the implications of having more unknowns than equations. Participants are also considering the definitions of independent equations and the conditions for having no solutions.

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Homework Statement


I am in a calculus class where we are learning the introduction to row reduction. I have done this before in other courses, so I am familiar with the process, but I am not sure about this one. We were given:

x4 + 2x5- x6 = 2
x1 + 2x2 + x5 -x6 = 0
x1 + 2x2 + 2x3 - x5 + x6 = 2

We were supposed to: solve for each unknown or tell how many solutions this has(usually something like 0 or infinity).


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We haven't learned it exactly yet, but there is no real row eschelon form for this, is there? I don't know what all I can do mathematically, it just seems to me that we only have 3 equations and 6 unknowns, so we cannot possibly solve for this, right? Am I missing something here? I wrote out the matrix exactly as it is written (if it didn't state a variable, i set it to 0. e.g. in equation 1, it does not mention x1 through x3 so I made those 0).

No matter what you do, you have a 3x6 matrix with 3 equations and 6 unknowns.

Am I missing something here? How could I mathematically answer this question and not just state what I have stated above?

Any help would be appreciated, thanks.
 
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Just go ahead and row reduce it as far as you can. You can get rid of the ##x_1## in the middle equation with the last one, which will also get rid of the ##x_2## but that's OK. You should be able to get three rows whose first element is ##1##. Solve for those variables in terms of the others.
 
That's what I thought, thanks. So I have reduced it as far as I can, and it is obvious that you still cannot solve, so would an appropriate answer just be that there are No Solutions?
 
Yosty22 said:
That's what I thought, thanks. So I have reduced it as far as I can, and it is obvious that you still cannot solve, so would an appropriate answer just be that there are No Solutions?

I'm thinking you can likely solve for three of the variables in terms of the others, right? The extra variables are called free variables and can be anything. You have lots of solutions. The case when there would be no solutions is of one of your rows is all zeros and a nonzero on the right side.
 
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Yosty22 said:
That's what I thought, thanks. So I have reduced it as far as I can, and it is obvious that you still cannot solve, so would an appropriate answer just be that there are No Solutions?
What do you mean by "cannot solve"? You cannot solve for a single specific value for each number but you didn't expect to, right? Part of the question was "how many solutions are there?"

You have three equations in six unknown values so if all three equations are independent you would expect to be able to solve for 6- 3= 3 of the values in terms of the other three.
 

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