Salt crystal forms after 3 days of evaporation

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The discussion revolves around calculating the average number of sodium (Na+) and chloride (Cl-) ions that form in a salt crystal after three days of evaporation, based on a given mass of the crystal. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and units conversion related to chemistry.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant poses a problem regarding the calculation of Na+ and Cl- ions from a 30 mg salt crystal formed after three days of evaporation.
  • Another participant suggests that the problem is a units conversion issue, emphasizing the need to calculate the formula weight of sodium chloride (NaCl).
  • A participant calculates the molar mass of NaCl and attempts to find the number of moles from the mass of the crystal.
  • There is a discussion about converting moles to ions, with a reminder that one mole corresponds to Avogadro's number of atoms.
  • One participant calculates the number of moles crystallized per second and attempts to find the total number of Na+ and Cl- ions.
  • Another participant advises to rework the calculations with all units included for clarity and accuracy.
  • A participant expresses uncertainty about whether to divide the total number of ions by two to find the individual counts of Na+ and Cl-.
  • Another participant agrees with the previous point, clarifying that one mole of NaCl contains one mole of Na+ and one mole of Cl-, leading to a total of two moles of particles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether to divide the total number of ions by two to find the individual counts of Na+ and Cl-. Some participants agree on the need to consider the mole ratio while others question the necessity of the division.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes various assumptions about unit conversions and the relationships between moles and individual ions, which may not be fully resolved.

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If a salt crystal forms after 3 days of evaporation, and the crystal mass is 30 mg, how many Na+ and Cl- ions was added to the crystal each second (average). How do I solve this?
 
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This is essentially a units conversion problem. You want to change from milligrams per days to atoms per second. In this case, whether "ions" or "atoms" does not change the units conversion needed. You will need to first to determine, calculate the formula weight of sodium chloride.
 


Ok, so I have MM_{NaCl}=58.44277 \text{g/mol}, and I guess I have will have to find the amount of moles; n=\frac{30\times 10^{-3}}{58.44277}=5,1332\times 10^{-4}. So far so good? Would the next thing be to do \frac{5,1332\times 10^{-4}}{3*24*60^2}, to get the number of moles crystallized per second?
 


Your work seems good; now remember since you wanted "ions", the actual count of ions in the amount of time, you need to use 1 mole = 6.022*10^23 atoms or whatever individual countable item you are counting.
 


Excellent! So, I got 1,9804\times 10^{-9}\mbox{ moles/second}. So the amount of Na and Cl that crystallizes each second would be 6,0221415\times 10^{23}\times 1,9804\times 10^{-9}=1,1926\times 10^{15}. I guess that since the mole ratio is 1:1, Na^{+}=\frac{1,1926\times 10^{15}}{2}\mbox{, } Cl^{-}= \frac{1,1926\times 10^{15}}{2}, right?
 


Instead of confirming or denying your results in post #5 directly, try reworking everything on paper (for convenience) and include ALL units in your arrangement; this will help you be clear about your arrangement and you can perform your units analysis.
 


Ok, I did, and I ended up with getting atoms/second, which I guess is..right?
 


i think you don´t have to divide the sum of atoms by 2 to get the number of Na+ or Cl- atoms, because if you have, let's say 1mole of NaCl, then it has 1mole of Na+ and 1mole Cl- atoms, which means twice as many particles as in NaCl.
 


vaazu, you are correct; one could first view the count of units of NaCl, and then multiply by two, since there are 2 atoms in one formula's atomic combination for NaCl.
 

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