Saving Whales and Comparing Sounds

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The discussion centers on the comparison of sound levels, specifically the significant difference between sound blasting at 240 dB and a rock concert at 120 dB. It highlights that the difference in loudness is not simply a matter of direct comparison, as sound is measured on a logarithmic scale, resulting in a power ratio of 10^12. Additionally, the challenge of comparing sound in air to sound in water is acknowledged, emphasizing the complexities involved in such assessments. The conversation encourages further exploration of sound measurement principles and offers resources for deeper understanding. Overall, the topic underscores the importance of accurate sound level comparisons in environmental studies.
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Hi guys,

I have a problem. Well my friend does. He is shooting a documentary on the effects of sound basting bedrock (bottom of the ocean) on fish/whales. He wants to convey just how loud this sound blasting is. So...

...if the sound blasting is 240dB and a rock concert is 120bD how much louder is that and how do you figure it out? I came up with a figure of 100 times...but I don't think that is correct.

I also told him that comparing sound in air to sound in water isn't a fair comparision, is there a way to make the comparision more fair.

(I'm up to my eyes in study myself and this has already taken up too much of my time, so I reluctantly open it to the floor...:) ) P.S my first post here...go easy;)
 
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240 dB vs 120 dB means 1012 ratio of powers, this is a logarithmic scale.

However, loudness is a subjective thing, it is not easy to say how many times one thing is louder than the other.
 
el director, Welcome to Physics Forums!

For an excellent reference with clearly written definitions, see the below site:

“Sound levels extend over many orders of magnitude and, for this reason, it is convenient to use a logarithmic scale when measuring sound. Both Sound Pressure Level (SPL) and Sound Intensity Level (SIL) are measured in decibels (dB) and are usually expressed as ratios of a measured and a reference level:
Sound Pressure Level (dB) = 20 log (p/pref) where pref is the reference pressure
Sound Intensity Level (dB) = 10 log (I/Iref) where Iref is the reference intensity”
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/acoustics.htm#intensity

If you have any remaining doubts, do post them here. Members of Physics Forums are always ready to assist any true searcher.

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Excellent. Thanks guys. I'll check that out later and let ye know how I do.
 
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